Talk:Saint George's Day in England

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Non-political disputed

With regard to the "royal" Society of St George. I refuse to believe that an organisation which has enjoyed the patronage of both Churchill and Thatcher, can be non-political. The UK has an unhappy history of right-wing organisations either masquerading as charities, or establishing charities as fronts for the more innocuous aspects of their activities. As well as the cachet of being a charity, there are also considerable tax advantages. Such organisations are traditionally treated with kid gloves by the Charity Commission (when their politics are right of centre). We need a citation that the RSSG has never at any time in its existence engaged in activities which could be deemed political, for the "non-political" label to stand.

More to the point, the description of the society, whether accurate or not, belongs on its own already linked page, not here, so I have deleted it Matruman (talk) 23:53, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Naval flags

I have moved this paragraph here for further discussion.

The Cross of St George was flown in 1497 by John Cabot on his voyage to discover Newfoundland and later by Sir Francis Drake and Sir Walter Raleigh.^[1] In 1620 it was the flag that was flown on the foremast of the Mayflower (with the early Union Flag combining St. George's Cross of England with St. Andrew's Saltire of Scotland on the mainmast) when the Pilgrim Fathers arrived in Plymouth, Massachusetts^[1]

^ ^a ^b "A History of Saint George". Royalsocietyofstgeorge.com. Retrieved 2012-07-26.

This article is about "St George's Day in England" it is not about flying the English flag. I think that if it should go anywhere this paragraph would be better placed in the article "Flag of England". -- PBS (talk) 10:43, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The "Flag of England" originates as the saint's flag in the high medieval period. It only became the "flag of England" after Henry VIII in 1552 decided to abolish all saints' flags except for George's, which automatically made it the flag flown by the English king. All I am saying is that the flag is relevant to the "history" section of this page, of course I agree that the Flag of England page by all means should remain a separate page dedicated to the flag itself. --dab (𒁳) 12:34, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How to fix this page?

This page seems to have been abused as a web journal of the people organising the St Georges Day celebrations in London since 2003. Of course they can be mentioned, but perhaps based on actual third-party references and with even a remote attempt at encyclopedic tone?

Clearly, there are English traditions associated with Saint George's Day, but somehow the article fails to discuss any of them. It is all about (a) medieval veneration of the saint and (b) 2000s politics surrounding a "revival", but never about the thing that is supposedly to be revived.

We strictly speaking have only one single sentence about the actual traditions, and this is the claim that they "waned by the end of the 18th century". Also, this information is lifted from an Independent article.

We cannot base our accounts of the folkloristic traditions of early modern England on journalistic pieces which are more likely than not based on shoddy "research" on Wikipedia. --dab (𒁳) 12:34, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Shakespeare's Birthday

The caption under the picture of Shakespeare should say his birthday is also celebrated on 23 April. As mentioned in your article, the churches move St George's Day if it falls in the week before or after Easter Day. In 1943 when Good Friday fell on 23 April, the Archbishop of Canterbury implored people not to celebrate St George on that day — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.21.255.46 (talk) 12:07, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[A_History_of_Saint_George-1] "A History of Saint George". Royalsocietyofstgeorge.com. Retrieved 2012-07-26.

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