Talk:St Leger Stakes

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The following red links have been excluded from this article and are placed here for reference. Zafonic (talk) 21:32, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Horses

Blue Bonnet Caller Ou Continuous Cowslip Craig Millar Eldar Eldarov Euclid Gamester Hawthornden Imperieuse Knight of St George Marie Stuart Nutwith Paragon Pero Gomez Phoenomenon Russborough Satirist Saucebox Serina Spadille St Albans Sunbeam Tommy Van Tromp Wenlock Young Flora Zanga

Jockeys

Robert Basham Pat Beasley Henry Bell Dixon Boyce Tommy Burns George Calloway Tom Carr Sam Darling Tom Fields Richard Foster Jem Goater Anthony Hall Bill Halsey Fred Hardy George Herring Bob Johnson Bobby Jones John Kirton George Lowry Tommy Lye Charlie Marlow George Nelson Tom Nicholson John Norman Tom Osborne Bill Peirse George Searle Arthur Smith Ben Smith Luke Snowden William Wilson

Trainers

Sam Armstrong Bartle Atkinson Henry Beardsley Isaac Blades Charles Blanton John Blenkhorn Noel Cannon Isaac Cape James Croft Sam Darling John Dawson Joseph Dawson Tom Dawson Reginald Day Montgomery Dilly John Doe James Dover Harry Enoch Tom Fields Thomas Flintoff John Fobert Neil Graham Tom Green William Harlock Joseph Hayhoe W. Hessletine Robert Hill Thomas Hogg John Hutchinson William I'Anson Tom Jennings James Jewitt Bob Johnson Frank Jordan Sam King Jack Leader R. Longstaff John Lonsdale J. Lowther M. Mason Laura Mongan Frank Neale William Oates William Osborne Edwin Parr Tom Parr Robert Peck Tom Perren Dick Perryman Jacob Pincus John Prince Joseph Rose Alf Sadler, Jr. Christopher Scaife George Searle Richard Shepherd J. Smith John Smith Robert Stephenson, Jr. Tommy Sykes William Theakston George Todd Tom Wadlow John Watson Jack Watts Willie Waugh Henry Woolcott

Owners

Al Thani Racing William Barnett John Beardsworth William Behrens William Bethell Charles Brewer John Clifton John Coates Joseph Cookson Jackie Cornwell William Stirling Crawfurd Gilbert Crompton Lady James Douglas Viscount Dupplin James Ferguson John Ferguson Mathradas Goculdas Henry Goodricke William Graham Bill Gredley Henry Greer Stanhope Hawke Richard Hill Lionel Holliday John Hutchinson William I'Anson Edward John Irwin Stanhope Joel Neil Jones Sir John Lister Kaye John King Frédéric de Lagrange] Vera Lilley Eustace Loder Sir William Maxwell Harry Mellish Sir James Miller Thomas Vaughan Morgan J. B. Morris Jim Mullion Anthony Nichol Bjorn Nielsen Gerry Oldham Thomas Orde-Powlett Tom Parr Mark Pearson Edward Petre Thomas Pilkington William Radcliffe Jimmy Rank Ralph Robb 7th Baron Rodney Eileen Rogerson Alexis Rolland Susan Roy Radha Sigtia Sir Edward Smith Geoffrey Smith Jackie Smith Paul Smith William Sotheron Charles St George 3rd Viscount St Vincent Thomas Stapleton Richard Sutton Robert Vyner Richard Watt George Watts Sir Neil Westbrook Christopher Wilson Peter Winfield Samuel Wrather Wilfrid Wyatt Major Yarburgh

Comment

Local legend where I live states that the Ledger was first run in a round field near Firbeck, (near Maltby, Rotherham) (which is where a St Ledger or St Ledgers lived). Such a field exists. Not been able, as of yet, to back this up with any meaty evidence bar the field and word of mouth. Anyone know any real detail about the history of the race? -Nommo

[1] says it was founded by a Lieutenant Colonel Anthony St Leger (note: no D in the middle of the name) in 1776, and run for its first three years in Cantley (near Doncaster) before moving to Doncaster itself in 1779. This is the best I've come up with, but I'll try to track down something more definite in the library or something. --Camembert

Best to ignore my spellings... An A.B. St Leger Esq. lived at Park Hill, Firbeck. I see also that the local CAMRA branch make passing reference to the story. But so far I can't find anything more substancial than gossip. -Nommo

Hello! I'm sorry, but not very well write in English. I love sports and the history of the sport, regardless of its type. I am fond of statistics and was searching for information about the early tournaments. At first I thought it was very wrong, but then found more errors. So, in the same page STAKES St Leger winner for 1784 appears jokkey John Kirton, but the source - Racing calendar 1784, page 111 - Set Mr. Coates and he did not owner. Assuming you're right, then why do you call jockeys from this source such as the Great Subscription Purses or Doncaster Cup? I in this case I do not understand anything. Or explain or have to redo a lot of information. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by V.Shreiter71 (talk • contribs) 13:09, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Quality of Horses

I don't think the quality of the horses in the St Leger is "significantly worse" than those in the other English classics. In the last two seasons the classic races were given the following official ratings:

2005: 2000 Guineas - 116; 1000 Guineas - 113; Derby - 125; Oaks - 115; St Leger - 117

2004: 2000 Guineas - 122; 1000 Guineas - 115; Derby - 122; Oaks - 120; St Leger - 120

The 'Leger' isn't exactly adrift is it?

Zafonic 19:30, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I disagree, I think that Motivator or Hurricane Run would have won the Leger last year if they had entered as was shown in the arc. Im not saying its a poor race, but horses that would have a good chance of winning choose not the enter which isnt the case for the other classics Lazmac 22:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Do we have a link to these official ratings? Average Earthman 04:22, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

The ratings can be found by going to: [2] - Zafonic 19:22, 4 April 2006 (UTC)