Talk:Sigma Tau Gamma/Archive 1

Archive 1

What does not cite any references or sources?

Please list and explan. J. D. Redding 20:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Almost everything isn't cited. The only things in the page which are cited are the fraternity colors and which chapter won the McCune award. Please see WP:CITE for more info. This page needs to also be cleaned up as per WP:STYLE. Acidskater 06:20, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Please cite specific points for cleanup if you are going to place that tag in the article. Thanks. J. D. Redding 05:30, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I can vouch for most of this information. I'll see If I can find my old pledge book ... but everything seems in line. J. D. Redding 05:25, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Vouching doesn't do anything. I'm not trying to be mean/rude or anything, but unless you can give a true, honest source that anyone can easily look up, the information isn't very useful. Basically, it could all be accounted for as original research, which doesn't pan out well ion the end. If you can find your old pledge manual, that would be a good start. Jmlk17 08:55, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I have just started getting involved with wikipedia here. I work for the Fraternity Headquarters (I'll do my best to maintain an unbiased POV) though and would like to offer help getting references for everything in the article. There are 2 sources that come to mind that will have most of the information we need: the Fraternity website (sigmataugamma.org) and a book the Fraternity publishes called The Chain of Honor. There are others. I am not familiar with wikipedia standards though and will need to figure out how to add references. addisonschopp 16:34, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Notable alumni

I just reverted an edit that deleted 2 members from our notable alumni section. One was the baceball hall of fame gentleman (whos name excapes me as I type right now) and the other was Senitor John Ashcroft (Honarary Beta chapter). I am posting this because I think it was a good faith edit, and want to know why someone thinks these two men shouldn't be included.Coffeepusher (talk) 18:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

after looking up the person who deleted the info I found he wrote the following on his talk page (interesting...if I was going to tag him with a vandalism warning it would be the first thing I saw) this is his reason for the removal.

"Removed stan musial and john ashcroft from stg's alumni list cause they were only "honorary" members and thus not real members. Stan musial didn't even goto college, so it's asenine to say he was a member of a college fraternity. 208.44.152.250"

That beeing said, Honorary members still go through the ritual, they have a even more strenuous selection prossess than normal members, and they have full voting rights at conclaves...they are members of Sigma Tau Gamma and should be recognised as suchCoffeepusher (talk) 19:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't Dennis Miller be added? He joined Sig Tau at Point Park University in PA. He might be a major a-hole, but he's still a notable alumnus.1brownsfan (talk) 23:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Noteable Alumni: Martin Davey, Iota Honorary, Ohio Gov.

I understand that Martin Davey was an Iota Hon alum (Kent State) 74.219.182.50 (talk) 03:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)David

Just added descriptions to all of the awards and reorganized

Please have a look. I won't pretend that the descriptions are all perfect grammatically or by wikipedia standards. addisonschopp 16:30, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Please add citations or this material might be removed. NYCRuss ☎ 16:33, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Is a website a suitable reference? addisonschopp 16:35, 19 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Addisonschopp (talk • contribs)

It often is. Please see Wikipedia:Citing sources for details. NYCRuss ☎ 16:51, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Recommended next steps

For those with a strong interest in improving this article, a great goal (and by no means an easy one) is to work to make this a featured article. I'm really not an expert on this, and I've only been actively editing for a few months, but I did bring a formerly pathetic piece to featured status recently. Here's what I would do:

1. Get familiar with WP:COI, WP:OWN, WP:CITE, WP:GACR, WP:FACR and probably other stuff that I'm missing.
2. Get a copy edit from the WP:GOCE.
3. Request a peer review with the intention of getting good article status, and then featured article status. Work to implement all reasonable suggestions.
4. Nominate this article for good article status. Embrace the criticism, and improve this article.
5. Nominate this article for featured article status. Embrace the criticism, and improve this article.
6. Bask in the glory of a bronze star!

NYCRuss ☎ 21:00, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate you mentioning WP:COI and WP:OWN. I was unfamiliar. I'll keep these in consideration when editing. addisonschopp 21:11, 19 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Addisonschopp (talk • contribs)

I've found that when I declare my conflict of interest, no one holds it against me. NYCRuss ☎ 21:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Recent edits

@Blevy97: I've stated this in my edit summaries and on your talk page, but just to make it clear, I have reverted your edits because: they removed all references from the article wholesale; removed the peacock tag without actually changing the peacock language of the article; and changed the capitalisation of various words and section headers in ways that go against the manual of style. Whether you intended to or not, you also removed the infobox.

I can see that you're trying to improve the article, but at the moment there are too many problems with the edit. Please could you explain what changes you want to make here, so we can work out how to implement them (assuming they're appropriate under Wikipedia policy)? Marianna251TALK 21:17, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Marianna251 Hi, my name is Brent Levy and I am a Communications Coordinator for Sigma Tau Gamma's National Headquarters. I have been updating this information from our National Website as well as citing the information. I do not understand why you took it upon yourself to remove and rewrite information that you have no ties to this organization. If you have any further questions or concerns you can email my supervisor, Greg Ward, at gward@sigtau.org. Thanks. Blevy97 (talk) 19:19, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Since this is the same message as the one on my talk page, please see my reponse here. Marianna251TALK 23:01, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Passing by. This is an absurd level of detail that is not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Your page exists because your organization passes the notability guide, that's all. Provide some history, some facts, anything else that may be newsworthy and of interest to a general reader. The Wikipedia is not the place to list the "society of the seventeen" and other excruciatingly-tiny details about a fraternity organizational structure. The infobox has a link to the official website where interested readers can find this sort of information, that is sufficient. ValarianB (talk) 14:10, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Just added "Fraternity organization"

Included descriptions of the function of chapters, alumni chapters, alumni associations, the grand chapter and board of directors. Moved the Foundation section after it. Thoughts? addisonschopp 14:50, 20 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Addisonschopp (talk • contribs)