Talk:Showdown at Cremation Creek (Part II)

Soveriegn

When you start to think about it the Soveriegn inadvertantly said he was attending the wedding. To make a point David Bowie has been mentioned in dealings with Mr. Brisby, as well as part 1 it is his first appearence on the show. So my guees is the Soveriegn is most likely David Bowie. Gwag 17:12 (EST) October 12, 2006

interesting theory, unfortunately we can't confirm it until tomorrow. Also, i believe Doc Hammer plays soverign and publick voiced Bowie. -th1rt3en 01:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Uh, no. Jackson Publick is Sovereign and James Urbaniak voiced Bowie. It's not really about what you "believe." --Hazelfo 04:14, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

wow i was right it was David Bowie. Gwag 20:08 (EST) 13 October 2006

Great guess, haha. -th1rt3en 00:10, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Why does David Bowie control a big evil organization?--Viridis 09:48, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Being the sovereign implies that he is separate from, outside of the organization, so there is a chance he is not evil. Then again, Brock wanted to kill Bowie, so how knows. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.21.14.214 (talk) 08:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Triana goof

How is Triana leaving the wedding a goof? Triana's almost never at home and who knows what she's doing most of the time. For all we know her friend was invited to the wedding after befriending Dr. Girlfriend and Triana tagged along.

But then we would see her friend their too, and most likely they would leave together. What it looks like though, is that they used her character model that was designed for this episode for the escaping sequence, since she was dressed up like how she looked in Dean's hallucination. -th1rt3en 12:34, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Why would Triana be there when her father wasn't? And wouldn't Brock have noticed that Triana was there, since he was the usher?

NOTE: We know very little about Triana and what she does when not on screen. Even Orpheus often loses track of her. For all we know she may be a supervillian in her spare time...? :P

Yup, it's a goof: http://jacksonpublick.livejournal.com/15353.html?thread=1518585#t1518585Joroth

Go Joe?

When Dean Jumps down to fight zorack/monarch guy does he say "Go Joe!" as in a reference to GI-JOE? or is it Yo Joe. Not sure what that would mean...Joroth

Edits

Perhaps the Trivia section would be less unwieldy if all the David Bowie/Iggy Pop song references were consolidated into a bulleted list, as was done with the Star Wars refs...

Triva Section

I removed the part about Iggy Pop's energy sphere sounding like a lightsaber. I just saw the ep. on YouTube and it's very different than a lightsaber's "hum"

Ive attempted to bring trivia into the man article, and remove unverifiable triva. Ive also set asside triva that should be in a seperate Quotes section. If no one does up the quotes section before I get home ill take care of it.

Not Trivia or Incorporated into plot

• The Insect King in Dean's hallucination bears a striking resemblence to the Space Ghost character Zorak.

• While Brock talks about Dean in the last few minutes of the episode, the Alchemist (who is gay) can be seen leering at Hank while Hank seems uncomfortable.

Not quite sure just where this goes...

• David Bowie utters a line "make way for the Homo Superior" when fighting Iggy Pop. This is a line from Bowie's song "Oh! You Pretty Things." However it may also be a reference to X-Men, As Bowie uses a shapeshifting power, and X-men mutants are known as " Homo-superior"

I dont think so

I removed the X-Men attributes of that quote. It's merely a coincidence that "Homo Superior" is one of the classifications for mutants in the X-Men universe.

• Klaus Nomi is featured prominently in this episode, despite the fact that he died in 1983. No explanation for his still being alive (Or possibly having been resurrected) is given in the episode.

There's also no explanation for David Bowie being able to transform into a cigarette. Clearly it's not the actual world we live in. Jeez, people.

• In his hallucination, when Dean jumps into the Slave Center to face The Monarch, he cries, "Yo, Joe!" This is the G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero team battle cry.

• One of the Monarch's henchmen that forgives Brock has blue ink smeared over his face. This is a reference to Part I where Brock is jumped by the henchmen while getting a tattoo.

• As Dean is bashing the slave mechanism with his sword, his ranting reveals that he holds a great deal of resentment towards his father imposing the adventuring lifestyle on him.

• Ironically, Phantom Limb loses several limbs (including one "personal" one picked up by the Alchemist) at the end of the episode, giving his name a more literal meaning.

Honestly, I didn't get the sense that it was Phantom Limb's penis the Alchemist picked up. I though it was PL's ass. The Alchemist's hands are too far apart, and the cupping motion his hands make definitely implied ass to me. Unless PL is hung like a horse, I suppose. Blahmicho 03:15, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Yet, Phantom Limb's rear is not invisible, only his extremities.--Viridis (talk|contributions) 03:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

We don't know that at all. In fact the way his face looks to me seems to imply he has to wear makeup so that you can see it. Why else the orange skin and purple eyes? Also, as quoted from Phantom Limb's own wikipedia article "In fact, his costume consists of a purple, short-sleeved, legless garment with an open-faced hood and domino mask; as such, it is not clear how much of his body is actually visible" Blahmicho 02:56, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

• When the cocoon is being evacuated, numerous villians that were previously seen in "Tag Sale – You're It!" and "Fallen Arches" can be seen. Torrid can also be seen leaving the wedding.

• One of the aircraft seen leaving the cocoon is a recognizer from Tron.

when Dean cuts off The Monarchs limbs and finally destroys his heart. Also in the fact that the robot Monarch has 4 arms.

Everyone who knows about Grievous knows the battle and what he looks like

Bowie's shapeshifting abilities could be a reference to the powers of Jareth; in particular, Bowie's exit, transforming into an eagle and flying off, is similar to Jareth assuming the form of an owl. It could also be a reference to Bowie's frequent change in personas throughout his career.

Trivia that needs sources

or as a homage to the recap that preceded the final episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which was a similarly high speed montage of significant scenes from the series' seven-season run.

I couldnt find anything like this on google or the article for the last episode of buffy.

Try watching the actual episode. -- Pennyforth 00:48, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Nope, it doesn't to it. Joroth 09:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Trivia that needs conversion to Quote

Try to keep the quotes succinct please.

• When Klaus and Iggy present Dr. Girlfriend to Phantom Limb, she calls them his "stooges," to which Klaus responds "I wasn't in the Stooges." Iggy Pop was the founder and leader of the proto-punk band The Stooges.

• After Iggy has thrown his energy ball at David Bowie and believes he has killed him, Klaus states "Ding, dong. The Queen Bitch is dead," which is a reference to Nomi's song "Ding, Dong" and Bowie's song "Queen Bitch." This is also a reference to the song sung by the Munchkins in the Wizard of Oz, one line being "Ding, Dong, the Witch is dead."

• Before actual fighting occurs in this scene, Iggy states "Now you're gonna be my dog," to David Bowie which is a reference to the song "I Wanna Be Your Dog" by Iggy Pop and The Stooges. He also tells Bowie that for thirty years, he's been playing the idiot, a reference to his solo album The Idiot, as well as the extensive guidance and support Bowie has given Iggy Pop throughout his career.

• In one line, The Monarch refers to Iggy Pop as "Spicoli," likely a reference to the character of the same name in Fast Times at Ridgemont High. The Monarch also refers to Klaus Nomi as "the one dressed like Taco."

Only "likely" a reference to the Fast Times character? How could it be a reference to any other thing?

• Hank calls David Bowie, "the guy from Labyrinth," in which Bowie played Jareth, the antagonist.

• Bowie also states that Phantom Limb is not a worry because he will sic the Diamond Dogs on him. A reference to his album "Diamond Dogs".

• When Iggy requests to fight against the Monarch's men, he tells Phantom Limb that he is "a streetwalking cheetah with a heart full of napalm." These are lyrics from the song "Search & Destroy" from the 1973 Stooges album Raw Power.

• David Bowie utters a line "make way for the Homo Superior" when fighting Iggy Pop. This is a line from Bowie's song "Oh! You Pretty Things."

Discussion regarding changes

--Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry, but you've removed perfectly valid trivia left and right for this one. I really don't get what you're trying to do here. And furthermore, a lot of the supposedly quote-based trivia don't need to be put in a special section either.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by MisterBadIdea (talk • contribs) .

The majority of it was incorporated into the main article in some way. Check the history. The david bowie stuff and star wars stuff could be put into subsections under trivia, however I would prefer to see the bowie trivia, which is all based on quotes from the show, be the entire line(s) that it comes from along with what the quote is referencing. I understand youve put a bit of effort into that section, however it was simply contained to much information that would be better offer put into the context of the plot. --Carterhawk 06:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, this is not correct Wikipedia style. The "plot" as you term it, is only ever supposed to be a brief summary (2-4 paragraphs in length), not a complete scene-for-scene recap. Read the discussion pages on previous episodes of Venture Bros. to see the general consensus on this, and why these summaries need to balance our enthusiasm with a reasonable length. For this reason alone, it is better to extract trivia from the summary and place it in the trivia section. This is the entire reason for the trivia section, to hold the various asides, references and so on. The plot summary is not supposed to give away all the jokes, or replace watching the episode. Trivial things belong under "Trivia." --Boradis 09:10, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

The sheer volume of information that can be extracted from an episode would lead to a "trivia" section twice the size or more than the "plot". Someone put the 'to much triva' template up, I did as the template asked and moved as much information as I could into the plot section. UmbricMan should weigh in on this, as he is a major contributor to these articles. Personaly i think the word Plot is not right, we need a word for describing what we have now, instead of chaning to match the word.

What is the oppisite of Synopsis? --Carterhawk 09:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Please take a look at the discussion on the main talk page. Talk:The_Venture_Bros.#Plot_Reformating --Carterhawk 19:22, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know what exact "murderflies" quote is? I want to put it in Wikiquote, though someone else could do it as well.

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Cultural references et cetera

Please do not add any supposed pop culture references without references to published sources to justify them. The episode itself or the work being referenced are not sufficient sources; that's just original research. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:37, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Dr. Girlfriend

What the Hell does Dr. Girlfriend say to The Monarch at the end? Where she has to psyche herself up to say whatever it is then they flash to outside the cocoon and you can hear The Monarch scream "WHAT!?!". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.79.254.103 (talk) 14:38, 15 July 2010 (UTC)