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Including updates from Israeli prosecutor

There are still zero complainants in alleged cases of rapes committed by Palestinians on 7 October 2023, an Israeli prosecutor has admitted.

"Ben Hetar was also responsible for the area of sexual offenses. "Unfortunately, it will be very difficult to prove these offenses," she says. "In the end, we have no complainants. What was presented in the media compared to what will ultimately emerge will be completely different. Either because the victims were murdered, or because the women who raped them are not prepared to reveal it. We contacted women's rights organizations and asked for cooperation. They told us that they simply did not contact them. There were parents who contacted the organizations and asked what to do if something happened to their daughter, but they did not disclose the abuse. "In this matter, I would lower expectations. I know there is public expectation and understand the need to address the horrific sexual crimes and sexual assaults that have been committed, but the vast majority of them will not be able to meet the threshold of proof in court, and the criticism will ultimately come to the prosecutor's"

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/yokra14200599

Bfikree (talk) 12:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Have added it to the page but in the future please use the proper format for editing requests. Raskolnikov.Rev (talk) 13:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies, this is my first time! Bfikree (talk) 13:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Add in controversies section : On January 6th 2025,former Israeli lead prosecutor on october 7th sexual violence allegations stated that:“In the end, we don’t have any complainants. What was presented in the media compared to what will eventually come together will be entirely different”^[1] Redstar0505 (talk) 13:41, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I concur, but since this is news from Israel itself, it seems important enough to go up the top in the existing broad timeline of events in the intro section: On October 7, blah; in January 2024, it was reported that blah; in March 2024, the UN reported that blah; on 12 April, the EU sanctioned blah; and the new entry: in January 2025, Israel stated that blah.

Alternatively, maybe that whole intro section is too long and the information should be moved to other places in the article. Immibis (talk) 15:35, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A more primary source (via Google translation link): https://www-ynet-co-il.translate.goog/news/article/yokra14200599?_x_tr_sl=iw&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc&_x_tr_hist=true

The source talks about the various kinds of terrorism crimes committed by Hamas. The relevant part for this article is the paragraph containing "In the end, we have no complainers" Immibis (talk) 15:40, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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^ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250106-no-rape-allegations-filed-from-7-october-reaveals-israeli-prosecutor/

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. See WP:MEMO please cite sources that are reliable. Dr vulpes (Talk) 04:05, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lead too long + outstanding issues

The lead is currently too long, at six paragraphs, and beyond that, there is an overarching issue with the presentation of outdated or unsubstantiated material being left in situ despite subsequent issues being raised over the veracity of the purported events. A good example, which I will be addressing shortly, is the presentation in the lead of direct testimonies, via the BBC, in which the publisher makes no claims about the veracity of the statements, nor suggests that it has cross-verified them; it just un-journalistically presents the statements without qualification. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Misrepresentation of the UN report

Why only Israel's obstruction is mentioned now? The report says due to a lack of access to victims, witnesses and crime sites and the obstruction of its investigations by the Israeli authorities. Also, "but" is not found in the report. Alaexis_¿question? 09:12, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reminder: new WP:NYPOST article

[1]... is not a RS. Edits treating it as one should be reverted. ByVarying | talk 16:45, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Last Sentence of Second Paragraph is Inaccurate

The last sentence of the second paragraph states: "As of January 2025, the former head of the security cases division in Israel's Southern District prosecutor's office said that no case was being filed due to a lack of evidence and complainants."

This sentence is factually inaccurate and has been debunked in a news article which addresses the issue head on. At best it's highly misleading. It should be revised to the following: "As of January 2025, the former head of the security cases division in Israel's Southern District prosecutor's office said that no case was being filed due to the fact that the victims were "either murdered or some of those who were raped chose not to come forward to share what had happened."

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rjt5bbwdjx CuriousViperGarage (talk) 02:24, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250106-no-rape-allegations-filed-from-7-october-reaveals-israeli-prosecutor/

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