Talk:Set (deity)

Griffiths citations need complete references

The References section refers to Griffiths 1960, but does not give a full citation. The reference is probably to The Conflict of Horus and Set, by J. Gwyn Griffiths, published in 1960. P992ohae (talk) 23:59, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

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Query

Why is the exact same picture used for both Set and his supposed son Anubis? Please make up your mind. It can't be BOTH 2601:18F:E82:A10:B947:E31:EB0A:744B (talk) 09:46, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

The infobox images for this article (Set (deity)) and Anubis are not the same. NebY (talk) 09:53, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Too much pop culture, 2024

The article references (or rather, doesn't) too many instances of pop culture. This article is about the Egyptian deity but it seems to be collecting a tranche of irrelevant pop culture examples that wouldn't meet notability criteria. That, and most of them are unsourced.

I anticipate that blindly removing at least the unreferenced examples may get pushback, so: perhaps there can be a discussion about what qualifies as a notable and relevant example. Neatly95 (talk) 01:28, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

I went ahead and just removed the mentions about "Powerslave" and that "Ennead" maniwha, considering as how neither have corresponding articles, and don't discuss their notability. Mr Fink (talk) 01:39, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Likely, if there's no article or significant section on Wikipedia, it doesn't meet notability criteria, so probably for the best. In the meantime I've had a hunt through most articles concerning the significant Egyptian deities that have cut-through with the wider public (namely: Isis, Osiris, Hathor, Bastet, Amun, Ra and Horus) and only Horus and Anubis have a section dedicated to popular culture references. I've just removed Anubis' (contained no examples, just unuseful commentary on impact with no sources) and on Horus' page it's only half the size and focusses on big budget films. I think this article's a bit of an outlier and indeed can stand to be chopped down a bit. Neatly95 (talk) 01:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

"In modern religion" section is empty

The "In modern religion" section is completely empty. But in the template of that section, link to the Temple of Set can be seen. So. I think some articles about that organization should be added in this section. AimanAbir18plus (talk) 10:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

What Dynasty was Seth/Set?

THE ARTICLE SOMEHOW LACKS WHAT DYNASTY SETH/SET WAS… 2A00:23C7:9C95:DD01:1BE:6DBB:1E8:3A3E (talk) 22:33, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Set was mythical. The mythology portrays him as a usurping king, but that doesn't mean he reigned during any historical dynasty. A. Parrot (talk) 23:00, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Father of Anubis

@Tioser and Qagsuo: Although I don't think citing Budge is ever a good idea, Set was sometimes said to Anubis' father. The entry on Anubis in The Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt, by Denise M. Doxey (vol. I, p. 98) says: "Anubis's parentage is uncertain. The Pyramid Texts call both the cow-goddess Hesat and the cat-goddess Bastet his mother. Later sources call him the son of Nephthys by Re, Osiris, or Seth. According to Plutarch, his birth resulted from an extramarital liaison between Nephthys and Osiris, but Isis then raised him as her own son. A Demotic magical papyrus calls Osiris and Isis-Sekhmet his parents." A. Parrot (talk) 19:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for providing a source! (: As mentioned, my only concern is understanding where a claim originates. I do not have access to The Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt by Denise M. Doxey, so Im aking you personally: Does it reference/link/add a primary source for this statement? "Later sources" is a very vague statement, and it would greatly benefit the discussion if we could have the exact context of where the assumption that Anubis is considered the son of Seth originates. However, this source is definitely more rliable than Budge, so thank you for that!Tioser (talk) 20:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

No, unfortunately. A. Parrot (talk) 20:28, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

That's unfortunate. I will definitely keep an eye out when I go hunting for more books about ancient egpt in the near future. What particularly puzzles me is that Te Velde implies that such a parentage for Seth and Anubis never existed or is at least questionable. Perhaps we should phrase it like this in the article: that some Egyptologists, like Denise M. Doxey, believe Anubis was considered be the son of Seth by the Ancient Egptians, while others, like Te Velde, dispute this? At least until someone can dig up a source that gives us more context. Nevertheless, thank you for taking the time to look this up for us. Tioser (talk) 20:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

"considered be the son of Seth by the Ancient Egptians" There is no such thing as a canonical version of the genealogies of the Egyptian gods. The surviving texts reflect differences between the local cults of various cities and regions, and between different eras of political history. Dimadick (talk) 20:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

I am aware of that, and I also did not claim that there would be a canonical version. The statement refers to whether there are indications that the ancient Egyptians considered Anubis to be the son of Seth, regardless of which city, time period, etc this belief was held in. Te Velde argues that there is no tradition describing Anubis as the son of Seth. That is why I am looking for a reference to a primary source: so that we can confidently determine whether there were traditions in which Anubis was regarded as the son of Seth, or whether this is a contested thesis among Egyptologists.I am not trying to establish a canon but rather to determine whether there were cults in which Anubis was regarded as the son of Seth or if this is merely speculation. And if it is just speculation, where did the assumption originate, what are the arguments on both sides, etc.? (talk) 21:08, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Furthermore, could we please remove Ancient Egypt Online and Budge as sources and replace them with more reliable ones like Anubis in The Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt, by Denise M. Doxey (vol. I, p. 98)?

The issue is that Anubis is now listed in the text as an offspring in the infobox but the only reference to Anubis in the article states that it is unlikely Anubis was ever considered a son of Seth. Previously, the same sentence claimed that Anubis was seen as Seth's son, but when I checked the source (Herman te Velde (2001). "Seth". Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt. Vol. 3., p. 270), te Velde stated the exact opposite: „His marriage with Nephthys remains a rather formal affair and, atypically, does not produce a divine child. It is at least doubtful whether Seth was ever held to be the father of Anubis,the child of Nephthys. That the crocodile Maga is said tobe a son of Seth accentuates its demonic nature. Seth,whose exuberant sexual activities result in his being invoked in love charms and whose testicles are a symbol as a pendant of the Eye of Horns, has relations with the goddesses Hathor and Neith, and especially with the foreign goddesses Anat and Astarte.“. I then adjusted the text in the article accordingly.

As it stands now, we definitely should not leave it like this, as it is confusing when two completely contradictory statements appear in the article. Perhaps we should write in the text that Egyptologists disagree on whether Anubis was ever considered a son of Seth? Until someone can find a primary source in favor of the Seth-Anubis parentage to settle this debate? Even so, I would suggest removing Anubis from the infobox or adding a note saying "(disputed)" next to it. Tioser (talk) 11:32, 4 January 2025 (UTC)