Talk:Serhiy Tihipko

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Tigipko: we could be deprived of gas transportation system for debts if we not privatize it. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 18:46, 16 November 2009 (UTC) + Tigipko declares largest incomes among presidential candidates in 2008. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 21:34, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

+ Ukraine should become a link between Europe and Russia, says Tigipko — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 02:32, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

+ Tigipko supports legalization of prostitution in Ukraine — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 02:22, 28 November 2009 (UTC) + Opposition proposes dismissing Tigipko. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 16:20, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Patronymic

According to Lonley Planet Russian style Patronymics where first used after Moldavia became part of the USSR. Does this mean his current Patronymic should follow Ukrainian transliteration rules (Leonidovych) but his birthname Russian transliteration rules (Leonidovich)? I do not want to start a Ukrainization of Moldavia campaign ;) — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 14:55, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Change of name

Wikipedia policy is that only uncontroversial moves should be made unilaterally. The move to Serhiy Tihipko was a controversial move, and therefore should not have been made unilaterally. I am therefore reverting. If people want a name change for this article, they should use due process.--Toddy1 (talk) 19:11, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: No consensus for move. Ucucha 18:01, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sergei Tigipko → Serhiy Tihipko — Please could somebody give a short reason why they would like a change of name to Tihipko.—Toddy1 (talk) 19:15, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He is an Ukrainian politician. His original name is Сергій Тiгiпко, which is written in Latin alphabet as Serhiy Tihipko (Ukrainian, Polish, Czech, Hungarian, German, English, etc.) or Sergei Tigipko (Russian form). Letter [г] means [h] in Ukrainian, and [g] in Russian. So, for example, Адольф Гітлер is pronounced as Adolf Hitler in Ukrainian, and Adolf Gitler in Russian.

By the way, Tihipko's first name is Сергій (Ukrainian Serhiy), not Сергей (Russian Sergey or Sergei).

See: Our Campaigns - Candidate - Serhiy Tihipko

"Trudova Ukraina" elects a new chairman - Serhiy Tihipko

Ukraine on the Eve of the January 2010 Presidential - Serhiy Tihipko

Rzeczpospolita - Serhij Tihipko

Tihipko: Ukrajna szenvedett a legtöbbet a válság miatt - Szerhij Tihipko

Die Welt -Schicksalstag für die Ukraine - Sergej Tihipko

The FINANCIAL - Tihipko Not Interested In NBU Governorship - Serhii Tihipko, etc.

So, it is a reason to change the name to Tihipko. -- Mibelz (talk) 01:11, 19 January 2010 (CET)

Fairly or unfairly, in the English speaking media and sources he is mostly referred to as Sergei (or Sergey) Tigipko. Examples: Associated Press [1], BBC News [2], ABC News [3], Kyiv Post [4], etc.

He even refers to himself as Sergey Tigipko on his English Facebook profile: [5] and his English campaign website: [6]

If anything this article should be moved to Sergey Tigipko since the candidate himself seems to prefer it. --Tocino 00:52, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it should be stay at "Sergey Tigipko". The Ukrainian "г" is pronounced like an English "g", and in both Ukrainian and Russian it's pronounced that way. It just makes more sense. It's not pronounced "serhey" in any language. LokiiT (talk) 08:17, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are wrong Lokii, Ukrainian and Russian "г" are not pronounced the same, please see Ukrainian phonology. Ukrainian "г" is a voiced glottal fricative (similar to an English "h", but with vocalization), whereas Russian "г" is a voiced velar stop (identical to an English "g"). Ukrainian does have a "g" sound, but it occurs relatively rarely (primarily in foreign loan words and some surnames), and is represented by a unique letter " ґ ". The name in question is Тiгiпко, not Тiґiпко —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.153.120.88 (talk) 07:40, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can we please leave this sort of arguments out of this discussion, this is simply a matter of WP:COMMONNAME. And with all due respects; just like Germans shouldn’t tell me how to pronounce Dutch words or letters (unless the lived in the Netherlands for years) Russians shouldn’t tell me how Ukrainian letters are pronounced (neither should I or Ukrainian Canadizians). — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 09:47, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't telling anyone how to pronounce anything. I simply stated facts. LokiiT (talk) 03:21, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No offence but a couple of lines above Mibelz is saying the exact opposite is a fact. As I am not very good in Ukrainian or Russian so there is no way for me to judge these facts... — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 19:19, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I thought you were responding to me. Sorry about the misunderstanding. LokiiT (talk) 23:57, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Against Per WP:COMMONNAME. But the candidate himself seems to prefer it is not a valid argument to me. If the people of Kiev prefer we call it Kyiv you support a name change there then? If not don't be a hypocrite please. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 09:54, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have produced some tables of search results below.

English newspapers normally use Tigipko.
Of English mainstream news TV channels, the only one mentioning him was the BBC which used both Tigipko and Tihipko
On Google News UK Tigipko is more common (but not all results are in English)
On Google Books Tigipko and Tihipko are about equally common
On Google Tigipko is more common (but not all results are in English)

--Toddy1 (talk) 11:21, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Search of major English newspaper websites - 22 January 2010

Each of the hits are for stories using the name, not saved search results, etc. I checked each story individually, except for the Times.

	Guardian	Telegraph	Times	FT	Mail	Express
sergei tigipko	0	1	0	11	0	0
sergey tigipko	2	1	0	0	0	0
sergiy tigipko	0	0	25	0	0	0
serhei tigipko	0	0	0	0	0	0
serhiy tigipko	0	0	0	2	0	0

Total Tigipko	2	2	25	13	0	0

sergei tihipko	0	0	0	0	0	0
sergey tihipko	0	0	0	0	0	0
sergiy tihipko	0	0	0	0	0	0
serhei tihipko	0	0	0	0	0	0
serhiy tihipko	1	0	0	0	0	0

Total Tihipko	1	0	0	0	0	0

--Toddy1 (talk) 11:21, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Search of mainstream (in England) TV news channel websites - 22 January 2010

	BBC	ITN	CNN	News.Sky
sergei tigipko	1	0	0	0
sergey tigipko	0	0	0	0
sergiy tigipko	0	0	0	0
serhei tigipko	0	0	0	0
serhiy tigipko	1	0	0	0

Total Tigipko	2	0	0	0

sergei tihipko	1	0	0	0
sergey tihipko	0	0	0	0
sergiy tihipko	0	0	0	0
serhei tihipko	0	0	0	0
serhiy tihipko	3	0	0	0

Total Tihipko	4	0	0	0

--Toddy1 (talk) 11:21, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Searches on Google News UK, Google Books, and Google on 23 January 2010

The difference between initial and final is as follows.

Initial if the number of hits that Google News/Books initially claims to have found.
Final is the number of hits found when I tried going to the last page of hits.

Note that both Google and Google News UK were finding hits in languages other than English.

	Google News UK		Google Books		Google
	Final	Initial	Final	Initial	Initial
sergei tigipko	57	597	16	42	27400
sergey tigipko	73	349	3	3	27300
sergiy tigipko	45	213	1	1	11500
serhei tigipko	0	0	0	0	1
serhiy tigipko	9	10	2	2	2820

Total Tigipko	184	1169	22	48	69021

sergei tihipko	1	1	2	2	231
sergey tihipko	0	0	0	0	78
sergiy tihipko	0	0	5	5	226
serhei tihipko	2	2	0	0	10
serhiy tihipko	38	57	17	53	11500

Total Tihipko	41	60	24	60	12045

--Toddy1 (talk) 11:21, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Oh my, controversy

Could somebody please explain why the move was controversial? The lead begins with the words "Serhiy Leonidovych Tihipko". How would naming the article that be controversial? ??

If there are no real arguments against, I will move it back. Thanks, Horlo (talk) 10:50, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New controversy section

Hello,

When I tried to add a new section, the WP for some reason added my comment to the previous RfM discussion. I don't know why, and if it was my mistake I apologize. However, the song remains the same.

The first three words in this article are "Serhiy Leonidovych Tihipko". That is the name of the person, so why should the article be titled something else?

Thanks, Horlo (talk) 10:53, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia policy is that only uncontroversial moves should be made unilaterally. There has just been a requested move discussion; the conclusion was no consensus for a move.

I have acted on your suggestion, and the common name in the English language is now first in the article. The reason this change was not done before was probably because people wanted to discuss the issue first and collect facts, rather than edit war.--Toddy1 (talk) 19:05, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, well, actually there was no controversy until you changed the name of the article back. Then, you started an RfM! This smacks not of controversy, but rather [don't like it]!

Now why did you "act on" anything and change the name in the article? Would you suggest I start an RfM against that, or should I just move it back and claim that yours was a "controversial move"?

Please read the article on naming conventions. There is no "common name" in English if the name is mentioned a total of 6 times on TV in England. The name is Tihipko, according to [rules of Wikipedia]. So please, no more games with this. The article should be "Serhiy Leonidovich Tehipko".

Thanks, Horlo (talk) 11:45, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The reason for the Wikipedia policy on requested moves is to stop people edit-warring over controversial moves.

If you disapprove of how Mr. Tigipko spells his name in English, I suggest that you stop him in the street and discuss it with him. I expect that he would explain that that is how people from Dnepropetrovsk transliterate his name.--Toddy1 (talk) 06:09, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Any reason this page was renamed to Serhiy Tihipkos?

He always goes on vacation in Greece? Any objection to moving the page back to whatever the BBC names Serhiy Tihipko today?
— Yulia Romero (formerly Mariah-Yulia) • Talk to me! 20:51, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Tihipkos" was a very, very bad joke. Please move it back. --Garik 11 (talk) 08:03, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2011

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The result of the move request was: page moved back to stable title by User:5 albert square. Any further move requests should be filed through WP:RM and discussed here. — Amakuru (talk) 19:16, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Serhiy Tihipkos → Sergey Tigipko — Unclear renaming to Serhiy Tihipkos a few days ago since no source supported a renaming to Serhiy Tihipkos (he is Ukrainian not Greek...). Sergey Tigipko seems his most common name in English media per Reuters.
— Yulia Romero (formerly Mariah-Yulia) • Talk to me! 02:55, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy move back to Sergei Tigipko. Any alternative should have been discussed. I will seek redirect deletion on this one. — Amakuru (talk) 10:09, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 2013

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 16:45, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sergei Tigipko → Serhiy Tihipko – Per conventional transliteration of Ukrainian names into English. Example: Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/profile/serhiy-tihipko/). BezosibnyjUA (talk) 15:22, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support - print and press both support, also WP:CYRILLIC. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:58, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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His businesses have been affected by anti-russian sanctions. 2003:DD:4F04:978F:39E0:86E4:7C39:66A7 (talk) 16:35, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]