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Only the official language of production should be included in the filmography tables and infobox. The argument of Akhtar claiming to have written his portions in 'Urdu', simply doesn't sell. The source says that the scripts were transcribed to Hindi by an assistant. Mani Ratnam wrote 'Dil Se..' in English and Tamil, but that doesn't mean that the film is a Tamil-English production. Kindly refrain from changing the language(s).PlutoniumBackToTheFuture (talk) 10:16, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's not what the source says. The source says Salim-Javed wrote their scripts in Urdu language and Urdu script, which were then transcribed into Devanagari script so that Hindi readers can read the Urdu dialogues. The source does not state it was Hindi language, but is saying it is Urdu dialogues written in both Urdu script and Devanagari script (the latter sometimes known as Hindi script). In addition to Akhtar stating the dialogues are primarily Urdu, several secondary sources also confirm this. Also, English and Tamil is a poor analogy. It is widely understood by Hindi and Urdu speakers that both are registers of the same Hindustani language, hence widespread confusion over whether something is Hindi or Urdu. Multiple sources, both primary and secondary, have confirmed that Salim-Javed dialogues were primarily Urdu. At best, you could say they were Hindi-Urdu (which is an actual language, unlike your Tamil-English analogy), but describing them as solely Hindi would be ridiculous. Maestro2016 (talk) 19:58, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • It isn't about the similarity between the languages. All these films were officially Hindi-language productions. Categorizing them as 'Urdu' films or 'Hindi-Urdu' films doesn't make sense. The analogy is to show how silly the categorization is. It is thus, perfect analogy.103.5.133.9 (talk) 13:07, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If you believe these films "were officially Hindi-language productions", then provide reliable sources to back up your claim, or else your claim is original research, and contradicts what's stated in the article's reliable academic sources, which clearly state that Urdu was the primary language of their films. If you disagree, then you're going to have to start presenting reliable sources to back up your claims. Maestro2016 (talk) 02:55, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In terms of "official language", the fact that posters were always written in both Hindi and Urdu, and the film titles were given in both Hindi and Urdu, clearly means that both Hindi and Urdu were the official languages. And on top of that, we have multiple reliable sources (both primary and secondary) stating that Urdu is the primary language for the dialogue. Maestro2016 (talk) 12:45, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The OFFICIAL language of production can be found in the censor certificates. The censor board has certified these films as Hindi language productions. Regarding the titles given in both languages, well there are English titles too in many Hindi films. They don't necessarily make them English language productions. The CENSOR BOARD CERTIFICATE is shown before the opening titles of every film.103.5.133.9 (talk) 00:41, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The certificate in the film is a WP:PRIMARY source, which is disputed by another primary source, Javed Akhtar, who states the dialogue is Urdu, not Hindi, and his view is backed by several reliable academic WP:Secondary sources. As per WP:NPOV: "All encyclopedic content on Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." That means both the Hindi and Urdu perspectives should be fairly represented, thus the most neutral POV would be to state both Hindi and Urdu. Maestro2016 (talk) 15:43, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's worth adding that the Censor Board in the '70s was criticized by screenwriters and magazines for erroneously classifying Urdu films as Hindi films. For example: "Film World". Film World. 10. T.M. Ramachandran: 65. 1974. I feel that the Government should eradicate the age-old evil of certifying Urdu films as Hindi ones. It is a known fact that Urdu has been willingly accepted and used by the film industry. Two eminent Urdu writers Krishan Chander and Ismat Chughtai have said that "more than seventy-five per cent of films are made in Urdu." It is a pity that although Urdu is freely used in films, the producers in general mention the language of the film as "Hindi" in the application forms supplied by the Censor Board. It is a gross misrepresentation and unjust to the people who love Urdu. This makes the Censor Board a questionable WP:Primary source, when you have reliable sources criticizing the Censor Board's decision to label Urdu films as "Hindi" films. Maestro2016 (talk) 19:00, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, are you an alt of User:PlutoniumBackToTheFuture? I've noticed that you posted the user's comment above directly into the article, which I've now removed. Maestro2016 (talk) 15:53, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've launched a sockpuppet investigation here. If you wish, feel free to leave a comment there. Maestro2016 (talk) 16:20, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As I thought, the investigation showed that 103.5.133.9 is indeed a sockpuppet of User:PlutoniumBackToTheFuture. I have now reverted the user's edits. Maestro2016 (talk) 22:01, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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