Talk:Said bin Sultan

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To somebody who is familiar with changing titles of articles: please change the title of this article to: "Said bin Sultan, Sultan of Zanzibar and Sultan of Muscat and Oman". ..or something like that, so that Zanzibar is included. Huldra 12:33, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

If Said bin Sultan became Sultan after the death of his father Sultan bin Ahmad, than why does it say he was preceded by "none"?

Schuyler Livingston (re: a business transaction)

The late Schuyler Livingston was generally supposed to be a very liberal man. So he was when it was his interest to be so. He was not always just. In one case he acted the part of an unjust man to two young and unfortunate merchants.

In a former chapter I have alluded to the fact that about thirty years ago, General Jackson sent out a merchant named Edmund Roberts to make a treaty with Japan, Muscat, and Siam. Mr. Roberts succeeded in making a treaty with the two last named nations, but failed with the former. He went out on a second expedition, and died. Judge Amasa J. Parker, one of the purest and best, as he is one of the most sagacious democrats of the state, married a daughter of Mr. Roberts. At the death of the diplomatist, Mr. Parker, Who was then a Member of Congress from the Delhi district, published a book at the Harpers. It contained the life of Mr. Roberts, and many valuable papers connected with the expedition he made by order of President Jackson. Based upon the information conveyed by Mr. Roberts, a commercial house in this city opened a trade with Muscat and the Imaum. This continued a long time. Among other matters, some very valuable presents were sent to the Imaum himself. One agent of this New York house resided at Zanzibar Island, and another at Muscat. The Imaum is himself not only a priest, but indulges in merchandising when he finds a good opening . He loads one of his own ships in the early part of 1840, and sends her to New York, consigned to this house, that had been doing business with him for some time. The New York house had failed, and the consignment of the Arab ship and cargo passed into the hands of Barclay & Livingston, who made a nice thing of it—perhaps $5,000 or $6,000. Did the house of B. & L., who would have been puzzled to have told in what part of the globe Muscat was located, divide the commission, or make any return to that young house of Scoville & Britton, who had toiled and spent money for years to work up that trade? Not a dime. Schuyler Livingston told Mr. Britton, the only partner who was in the city at the time the Imaum’s ship arrived here, to kiss his—foot. Mr. Britton long ago left mercantile business, and met with the greatest success in another line; he being the head of the house in this city of Britton & Warner, bankers.

That was not all. The “Sultance” brought presents from the Imaum to the president of the United States, and also to Scoville & Britton, his New York Correspondents. An Arab chief returns present for present. The President of the United States had sent the Imaum valuable articles, and he sent back Arab horses to him. Scoville & Britton had frequently sent presents to the Imaum, among other things a Colt’s rifle and pistol mounted in ivory, and several other fire arms. In return to S. & B. the Sultan sent camels-hair shawls and certain articles. Barclay & Livingston never had sent the Sultan any presents, but they got his, and poor Scoville & Britton never received one of them. Mr. Livingston claimed that the presents belonged to Barclay & Livingston, as consignees of the vessel. Power is right, and there was never any redress, nor never will be in this world. Satan in the other may say: “Schuyler, that was a clever dodge of yours in 1840—keeping those Arab shawls.” As the Sultan is dead, he can explain that they were intended for his friends—his correspondents—those who had made him presents in 1839, and not for a couple of names the Imaum had never heard of, but who became consignees of the vessel, because they were the agents of Lloyds, London, and by consent of Lloyd L. Britton.

—Barrett, Walter (May 9, 2012). "The Old Merchants of New York City Second series". Brooklyn Genealogy Information Page. (updated daily). The Brooklyn Information Page. Schuyler Livingston. Archived from the original (1863) on 2012-05-09. Retrieved May 8, 2012. {{cite journal}}: |chapter= ignored (help)

--Pawyilee (talk) 05:21, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Sayyid/Sayyida not Sheikh/Sheikha!

Sayyid and Sayyida are the correct official titles for the Omani royalties. They are the equivalents of prince/princess, duke/duchess, etc. The down link bellow redirects to the page of the council of minister in Oman on the official website of the Omani news agency (ONA). You can obviously view that the deputy prime minister (who's a member of the royal family) is entitled (H.H Sayyid Fahd bin Mahmoud al-Said). The same thing is indicated with the next two individuals from the council and the fifth and sixth as well.

http://omannews.gov.om/en/web/ona/the-council-of-minister — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.98.114.159 (talk) 05:37, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Death

His death is given as 19 October 1856 Seychelles and in House of Busaid it is given, with more detail as Said sailed for Zanzibar on his ship Kitorie....He died on board the ship on 19 October 1856; Thuwaini bin Said has After the death of Said bin Sultan on Zanzibar in 1856... Meanwhile press reports of the his death put it on board a British warship, and some on the Indian paddle sloop Victoria in particular. Incidentally, in 19th century sources he is commonly referred to as "Imaum of Muscat" (less commonly the variant "Imaun..."). Should that be added, perhaps with a link to Imam#Imams as secular rulers? Davidships (talk) 14:02, 3 September 2022 (UTC)