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The territorial control map should be deleted as this article is about an entity that exists under Russian law, not about the military situation on the territory of the DPR. The territorial control vs. claimed territory distinction can be made by using a lighter shade of red on the map of the Russian federal subjects just below the current territorial control map.
No, there is a big difference. This is territory militarily by one side during an active war. North8000 (talk) 13:28, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the issue is that Ukraine, like most countries, is built up of separate internal parts - Oblasts I believe - and I think all sides like to assume that the borders of those areas have to be respected. Thus while Russia claims territory it doesn't control, its claim is based on control over a specific political region. Imagine Canada decided that Minnesota belongs to Canada and they took over the twin cities and the state institutions. If the rest of the United States fought to retake the state and forces from Iowa, Wisconsin, and the Dakotas all occupied a large chunk of Minnesota, it would still be reasonable for Canada to claim those occupied areas since it claimed Minnesota as a whole and the entity of Minnesota has a border regardless of which country occupies a given county. China doesn't control Taiwan's entire political and legal system thus them claiming Taiwan belongs to them isn't the same. 2604:2D80:6305:600:51A1:2330:7897:134E (talk) 01:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Change "In February 2017 a bomb planted in an office killed Mikhail Tolstykh ("Givi")." to "In February 2017 a remotely triggered rocket launcher killed Mikhail Tolstykh ("Givi")." Under the Law and order section.
Donetsk is still considered Ukraine by the world! Since when do parts of one country officially become part of another just because the second country said so? AllMyKidsHavePaws (talk) 12:15, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Its more complicated than that. The people in that part of Ukraine really didn't like the government of Ukraine after the revolution. So its wrong to say that they're part of Russia but its also kind of wrong to suggest they're part of Ukraine as well considering that they have 0 political power in Ukraine and the people in those regions really don't like the people in the western part of Ukraine. You have to remember that the world isn't a simple place and the internal issues in Ukraine aren't simple either. People in both parts of the country couldn't get along and they both really didn't like each other. Foreign countries like Russia and the rest of Europe getting involved in internal political problems in Ukraine only made the problem much more complicated. Neither side of Ukraine is totally in the right or in the wrong. I don't think the people in the eastern part of the country want to be part of Russia but they also don't want to be subservient to the people in the western part of Ukraine who kind of see them as parasites from Russia. Just because civil society groups claiming to love democracy may seem noble doesn't mean they don't have more selfish intentions - albeit ones masked by subjective interpretations of ideas like social justice. Obviously the people in the western part of Ukraine failed to govern properly and when they had the chance to make major reforms to improve the internal division in their country, they instead decided to put on the ring of Sauron and gain full political power over their internal rivals. Obviously, given the statistics, the entire country of Ukraine failed the people in the eastern half and thus it would be foolish to believe that people in that part of the country would feel secure knowing their internal rivals have free reign to do whatever they want.
Ukraine is living proof that just because you can do something and justify it in the name of democracy and civil society, doesn't mean you'll be free from consequences nor does it mean that your intentions are noble. There are no 'good' sides in real world conflicts. The only difference is how well each side markets itself. 2604:2D80:6305:600:51A1:2330:7897:134E (talk) 01:18, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think this term is being overused and kind of mischaracterizes the sentiments of a lot of the people in eastern Ukraine. It seems more that the 'pro-Russian' Ukrainians are really just opposed to the western 2/3 of the country due to internal division. I'm pretty sure a lot of the fires starting in Russia are probably done by these so-called 'pro-Russian' Ukrainians who now have Russian citizenship and have a grievance against Russia as well as the Ukrainians west of the Dnieper.
As Americans, we're better than Russians and we shouldn't stoop to their levels by lying about the sentiments of others. Claiming that eastern Ukrainians have some sort of unrealistic love for a foreign country is the kind of absurd belief that Russia would push. 2604:2D80:6305:600:51A1:2330:7897:134E (talk) 01:05, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
