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in the first paragraph of the assimilation urban section, it references the 944 treaty. I think it should link to Rus'–Byzantine Treaty (945) Roboduckdragon (talk) 19:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. - Altenmann >talk 20:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Change "The reason the princely family felt a need for Slavic names was to accommodate the local Slavic nobility", In urban to "The penetration of Slavic names into princely anthroponymicon indicates the beginnings of assimilation processes. Princes of Scandinavian origin started to feel a necessity and found it possible to borrow local names for at least some of their scions thus breaking off with the ancestral tradition of naming" or something similar to show that the royal family was beginning to merge with their eastern slavic peoples local custom. The lack of mention of Sviatoslav as the start of the assmilation process into the slavic is a oversight in the article. RayquayZzZ (talk) 23:53, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide a published references that supports you change. - Altenmann >talk 01:31, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Oh, I guess you were interpreting the refernce^[1] cited there. In my opinion both versions are bad: "the princely family felt a need" and "started to feel a necessity and found it possible" are both far-stretched guessworks based on scarce records on the period. Surely no prince said "I feel a need".

So I concur the text must be rephrased, but in a scholarly way. - Altenmann >talk 01:46, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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^ Melnikova, E.A. (2003) The Cultural Assimilation of the Varangians in Eastern Europe from the Point of View of Language and Literacy in Runica – Germ. – Mediavalia (heiz./n.) Rga-e 37, pp. 454–465 Archived 15 February 2022 at the Wayback Machine.

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. TylerBurden (talk) 20:13, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I reviewed the paragraph in question and the source cited and removed it althogether, because it was a liberal interpretation by a wikipedian: "wants to give", "felt a need" - there is no basis to read the minds of Varangians. - Altenmann >talk 20:28, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[mel-1] Melnikova, E.A. (2003) The Cultural Assimilation of the Varangians in Eastern Europe from the Point of View of Language and Literacy in Runica – Germ. – Mediavalia (heiz./n.) Rga-e 37, pp. 454–465 Archived 15 February 2022 at the Wayback Machine.

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