Talk:Racism in Poland

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No Russian discrimination and racism against Poles?

Having just read "Ethnic Poles", yet I am so surprised that they only wrote about German racism and discrimination against Poles but never wrote anything about the much worse Russian racism and discrimination against Poles. Is this an attempt by Russian apologists here to show that they're not racists and not persecuting non-Russians? ZaDoraemonzu (talk) 05:29, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ZaDoraemonzu: The reason that racism against Poles by Russians does not belong here is that that matter is already covered in Anti-Polish sentiment, though not heavily so. In addition most racism against Poles specifically by Russians occurs in Russia and not in Poland, where Poles are a minority and thus of course more vulnerable/susceptible to racism. However, Racism in Russia does not even have a section about racism against Poles which might be problematic to you. I do not know enough about the matter to write a section there, or to improve the "Today - Russian Federation" part of Anti-Polish sentiment. If you do, improve the articles along with whatever information is relevant, of course most importantly, based on Wikipedia:Reliable sources. DieSonneUnsLacht (talk) 09:18, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"This article is about racism in Poland, not racism against Poles"

Ping User:ZaDoraemonzu, User:TU-nor, re: [1]. Hmmmm. I am not sure about this. Isn't "racism against Poles" in Poland (or, Polish territories while occupied by another country), relevant here too? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:44, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Poland at that time was divided by the Germans and Russians, from 1795 to 1918, Poland did not exist. The "Ethnic Poles" page I have seen has explained clearly racism against Poles by the Germans at the time. However, what makes me feel insulted is the lack of studying Russian racism against Poles here. That's why I question about this bias. Yes, German racism sucks, but Russian racism is that innocent? Don't forget the subject of "Ethnic Poles", Poles, effectively minorities in nationalistic German Empire and Russian Empire, were subject to discrimination and racism. ZaDoraemonzu (talk) 05:49, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Antisemitism in Poland

The section on Jews doesn't even contain the words racism. It also starts by discussing events from 500 years ago. I don't think there is consensus in the literature that historical antisemitism is the same as racism. I think that section should be split into a separate article about antisemitism in Poland, and shortened here (or removed entirely, if no source can be found to connect it to racism). In either case, this section is the longest in the article here, which is clearly WP:UNDUE. I was recently rewriting the sadly deleted Polish Wikipedia article on racism in Poland, and I read a number of academic articles, and racism in Poland is directed primarily at black people, Arab people, and Ukrainians. There is antisemitism, of course, but antisemitism=/= racism and is not the main focus on works dealing with racism in Poland. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:54, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

They're generally grouped together, often with other forms of bigotry (see eg. ^[1]^[2]^[3]). MacMaster views racist antisemitism, a relatively late phenomenon (see scientific racism), as one incarnation of several in a long historical continuum of antisemitic prejudices.^[1]^: 86–87 François Robere (talk) 10:46, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Its important to remember that "Race" is a social, not a scientific category. Its a *really important* social category, but its not a hard physical category (For example many Iranians are as white as the driven snow, but in western countries they are still often percieved as non white. Theres a well known history of Irish folks being often excluded from whiteness, and indeed Jewish folks are regularly counted as non-white by white supremacists). The category of "Jewish" is an interesting one in that it is part "race", part "religion" and part "ethnicity" , you get Jewish people who are african descended and would be considered "black" by most folks. You have Jewish people who subscribe to christianist or islam. And so on. In this context antisemetism IS a species of Racism, even if many targets of antisemetism are not infact religiously, or alternatively ethnically jewish. 27.33.154.252 (talk) 08:23, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. He is obviously wrong. Steven1991 (talk) 01:24, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ^a ^b MacMaster, Neil (2001). Racism in Europe, 1870-2000. Hampshire: Palgrave. ISBN 0-333-71119-X. OCLC 46449101.
^ Reisigl, Martin (2005). Discourse and discrimination : rhetorics of racism and antisemitism. London: Routledge. ISBN 0-203-99371-3. OCLC 191952673.
^ Wistrich, Robert S. (2013). Demonizing the other : antisemitism, racism & xenophobia. Amsterdam: Harwood Academic. ISBN 978-1-135-85244-3. OCLC 830322441.

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Delete the statement: ""We want God,"". It looks like an example of rasism and this statement is not rasist.

Delete the sentence: "The ruling Polish Law and Justice party has been described as far-right." Far-right is not the same ass "rasist". 83.25.21.55 (talk) 18:32, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:32, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Racism towards ethnic minorities section

Can this edit be reverted?

The edit treats Islamophobic crimes as lesser:

Of the 440 prosecuted hate crimes, 268 (61%) were racist and xenophobic hate crimes, seconded by 87 (20%) anti-Semitic hate crimes, while only 6% were "anti-Muslim" hate crimes (25).

And instead more balanced:

Of the 440 prosecuted hate crimes, 268 (61%) were racist and xenophobic hate crimes, 87 (20%) anti-Semitic hate crimes, 6% were anti-Muslim hate crimes (25).

We should probably also include the figures for Roma here though the section itself is messy and looked better back with this edit there's been a lot of changes like removing reference to Ethnic stereotypes to just stereotypes in the Roma section which is extremely misleading. Galdrack (talk) 09:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[MacMaster-1] MacMaster, Neil (2001). Racism in Europe, 1870-2000. Hampshire: Palgrave. ISBN 0-333-71119-X. OCLC 46449101.

[2] Reisigl, Martin (2005). Discourse and discrimination : rhetorics of racism and antisemitism. London: Routledge. ISBN 0-203-99371-3. OCLC 191952673.

[3] Wistrich, Robert S. (2013). Demonizing the other : antisemitism, racism & xenophobia. Amsterdam: Harwood Academic. ISBN 978-1-135-85244-3. OCLC 830322441.

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