Talk:Piano Concertos Nos. 1–4 (Mozart)

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I see little - well none to be precise - comments so have no idea if anyone is even monitoring this article. However, while well written I do feel it could do with some citations and less of the personal opinion - highly noticeable in the "assessment" section. If no body minds I would like to consider a re-write. Anyone up to help? The7thdr (talk) 20:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The opinions could very well be Hutchings (see refs). If he didn't like something, he wasn't afraid to say so. You are right, though, opinions are best supported with references, though. Remember, he was only eight when he wrote these and at least 11 of the 12 movements are transcriptions of other composers works, so a mediocre assessment is not unexpected.DavidRF (talk) 21:14, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you might be right - and certainly about Hutchings. However, I felt that at least the fourth had been given some re-assessment academically of late? I might have been hallucinating of course :-). I shall have to go and look this up.

But either way, a slightly more detailed appraisal perhaps? And maybe the odd "snippet of music? I know there are many recordings of these that have now fallen into the public domain one could legitimately "steal" from —Preceding unsigned comment added by The7thdr (talk • contribs) 21:31, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

However, I see you are something of an expert - some very good contributions if you don't mind me saying - so shall stay under advise. I'm a simply amateur. Wagner, Strauss and the Viennese School I might have a far better "grasp" of but Mozart less so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The7thdr (talk • contribs) 21:37, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I didn't mean to discourage you. I'm no expert, classical music is just my hobby. If you have more access to more detail, feel free to add some. I think since this article was written, inline citations have become preferrred to just listing the books used. I have Hutchings at home and I can check to see if there is more to add from there. Actually, with google books previews, you can get quite a fair amount of stuff without visiting the library. Sadie mentions these four in "Mozart: The Early Years" p. 124-127. [1]. Cheers. DavidRF (talk) 22:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No no my friend, your comments are not seen as discouraging and advise and help appreciated. I have now found a few reliable refs to the fact that Leopold's hand is found through-out the scores and that they may have been used as part of Mozart's fathers teaching methods - it seems he was certainly involved in their development. An interesting line of inquiry I think and worth mentioning? I think we could add something to this fact - the excellent resource you point to supports this. I shall attempt to put something together - to get things "rolling". However, I will add it here first for review. Give me a day or so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The7thdr (talk • contribs) 08:40, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

first time-

maybe, but Bach is regarded as having possibly done something similar when he studied a number of works by Italian concerto composers (a few of which he arranged for solo keyboard) prior to composing the "Italian Concerto" (not his exact title, of course- more like Concerto in the Italian Style, I think? and allowing for translation anyway) and before (perhaps?) most of his own series of instrumental concertos... Schissel | Sound the Note! 13:10, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]