Talk:News media endorsements in the 2024 United States presidential election

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Philadelphia Inquirer endorses Harris

https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/editorials/a/endorsement-president-kamala-harris-democracy-20241025.html 71.185.232.241 (talk) 17:26, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Philly Daily News endorses Harris

https://x.com/PhillyDailyNews/status/1849864694225567801 Mac Riada (talk) 02:39, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daily News and Inquirer have the same owner. Both papers published the exact same editorial endorsing Harris. 71.185.232.241 (talk) 13:44, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Dallas Morning News makes NO endorsement

This needs more attention. https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/we-recommend/2024/10/21/all-our-recommendations-for-the-2024-general-election/ 2600:1700:7B80:CD0:AC50:E8F:F8EA:8183 (talk) 10:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suppression fails verification

I don't see a source using the word suppress. I'm on mobile now--not a lot of dexterity here so I could be wrong. A charged term like this needs attribution. SmolBrane (talk) 16:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would "withheld" work better? – OdinintheNorth (talk) 20:05, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like suppress comes from the Snyder article(s). Needs attribution to keep, withheld is better but still charged. Its not apparent that the owners are wrongly transgressing here. Its more like abstaining/declining/opting out.

The bezos response should be included, for instance:

What presidential endorsements actually do is create a perception of bias. A perception of non-independence. Ending them is a principled decision, and it’s the right one.[1]

SmolBrane (talk) 12:03, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I chose that word because the newspapers wrote an endorsement, and the owners uncharacteristically prevented their publication. A lot of the articles refer to it as being "spiked" so that could be an option. But I don't think we should put it in a passive voice (e.g. 'abstaining'/'declining'), because it was the newspaper owners who rejected to publish them post hoc, not the editorial boards who actually wrote the endorsements, and who are supposed to be free from influence. SWinxy (talk) 01:25, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I think part of the issue is that the "Prior to the 2024 election cycle" subsection should really be separate, as it describes papers not endorsing any candidate under different circumstances. The new section name of "Newspaper non-endorsements" is honestly a bit too vague and I don't think it properly conveys the events at the LA Times or The Post. All that said, the article should use a term drawn from sources on this subject, rather than what any of us would prefer. If "spiked" is being used, that could be a good option. – OdinintheNorth (talk) 02:46, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anticipatory obedience

I'm not sure who wrote, in the section called "Accusations of anticipatory obedience", that "Critics worry that the owners want to avoid conflict with Trump, and several columnists, including Will Bunch, Jonathan Last, Dan Froomkin, Donna Ladd and Sewell Chan described the owners' decisions as an example of what historian Timothy Snyder calls 'anticipatory obedience'. Five articles were appended as citations. Only one of them (the article in Slate by Dan Froomkin) uses the phrase 'anticipatory obedience' to describe what happened. One other article, written several weeks before the events in question, used the phrase 'anticipatory obedience' but clearly not in reference to the then-future events. The three other authors cited here didn't use the phrase. Am I missing something? The current sentence claims that all five of these authors "described the owners' decisions as an example..." Only one of them did, from what I can see. Novellasyes (talk) 02:09, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The column by Will Bunch begins with a quote from Snyder: "Do not obey in advance". So it isn't just the column in Slate referencing the idea of anticipatory obedience. 71.185.232.241 (talk) 02:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, there is no Slate column cited. I assume you meant Salon. 71.185.232.241 (talk) 02:24, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that was sloppy of me. Dan Froomkin's article was published in Salon, not Slate. The article itself still gives the misleading impression that all five cited articles label what happened as anticipatory obedience. There's some clean-up that needs to be done to correct that and if whoever did that work is no longer paying attention to this article, I'll work on it. However, I wanted people to have an opportunity to discuss/review the situation first. Novellasyes (talk) 11:40, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, why do we not add citation of these commentaries to the article? These cancellations of endorsements are not out of the blue. As Froomkin and Snyder say, there is some context.Dogru144 (talk) 19:07, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Journal News of White Plains, NY

'The Journal News' is the major newspaper for lower Hudson Valley, New York, namely Rockland, Putnam and Westchester Counties. It is published out of White Plains, New York, and it is carried at the site, lohud.com. With a Sunday circulation of over 70,000, it is a major regional newspaper. Apparently, as a Gannett News property, it is not endorsing in 2024.Dogru144 (talk)

Split endorsement

is a split endorsement really different from no endorsement? In my view, they are the same. PhotographyEdits (talk) 10:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If this is in regard to the Chattanooga Times Free Press, I think it's different. The newspaper, as a result of a merger, runs two separate editorial pages, one liberal and one conservative. I don't think it's all that different from the Las Vegas Review-Journal and Las Vegas Sun endorsing opposite candidates, as they did this year, even though the Sun is distributed within the Review-Journal; that's two different endorsements, not a lack of an endorsement altogether. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:25, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Onion Joe Biden endorsement

As requested, I'm opening a topic on this since there doesn't seem to be a consensus. Personally I really don't see why The Onion's endorsement of Joe Biden^[1] shouldn't be added to the article. An endorsement by a satirical newspaper is still an endorsement. Additionally this isn't just a headline article as some Onion newspieces are. It's a full article that, with satire about as subtle as a brick to the head, plainly states the thoughts of the Onion's editorial board on the US presidential election. Happy to hear your thoughts.

Yours truly, Andro124 (talk) 13:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ The Onion Editorial Board (2024-10-02). "'The Onion' Officially Endorses Joe Biden For President". The Onion. Retrieved 2024-11-05.

[1] The Onion Editorial Board (2024-10-02). "'The Onion' Officially Endorses Joe Biden For President". The Onion. Retrieved 2024-11-05.

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