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THE YANKEES SUCK BIGTIME!!

Last Allstar game

Something needs to be put into this article about the last season that the Yankees played in this stadium and also Josh Hamilton and his amazing comeback playing in the home run derby. For me, where Stienbrenner has taken the team disgusts me; I hate the Yankees and hope they lose every season. Regardless, respects needs to be paid where it is due. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.57.77.163 (talk) 07:58, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

There is a small paragraph about the last season at Yankee Stadium and mention of it hosting the All Star game. That's really all that needs to be said on that matter as this article is about the Yankees and not about the 2008 MLB All Star Game, Home Run Derby, or Josh Hamilton. Tjrover (talk) 17:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Post strike fallout Mattingly and Buck

Citing Mattingly and Buck leaving as major post strike fall out for the Yankees is really a bit of a reach. While the research is commendable, citing one journalist's book doesn't make it true or worthy of mention here. It's common knowledge that Mattingly's balky back caused his early retirement. Along with Buck's falling out with Steinbrenner his pitching moves (hanging Cone out to dry in Game 5 of the ALDS) are the most commonly cited reasons for Buck Showalter's departure. Also saying the Yankees had the best team in 1994 is not POV, the Montreal Expos had the best record in baseball that year along with some great players. The strike ruining the team's promising 1994 season was a pity but the Captain Obvious quotes don't belong either being this is an encyclopedia and not sports journalism.Tjrover (talk) 01:33, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Buck leaving was a fallout. The Yankees had the best record in the American League in 1994, but got nothing to show for it. He led the Yankees to the best record in the American league that year, but the strike ended any hopes that the team would be in the playoffs. -- SNIyer12, (talk), 02:26, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Showalter left because of a falling out with Steinbrenner, not because of the strike. His quotes about the Yankees being the best team etc are non pov, what else would a Yankee manager say in that situation? The Expos had the best record in baseball and a wealth of star power. The same could be said about the Expos and Larry Walker, John Wetteland, Marquis Grissom, etc etc. If there are other credible sources and not just one journalist's book that prove the strike ended Showalter's Yankee career I'll let it go. The quotes don't belong anyway, this isn't the sports section of the NY Post.Tjrover (talk) 03:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I got no problem mentioning that the strike did lead to Showalter leaving the Yankees. Both falling out with Steinbrenner and the strike led to Showalter leaving the Yankees. He continues to be haunted by the strike and that's why he left the Yankees, because he had molded a dysfunctional team into a cohesive one. It also ended his chances of leading a team into a World Series. Don Mattingly suffered a bad back, but the strike did affect him, as it ended any hopes that he would be in a World Series. In many ways, the strike meant death to Don Mattingly's playing career. Both Showalter and Mattingly left the year after the strike. -- SNIyer12 (talk), 12:37, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Think about it, if Mattingly was on a World Series team in 1994 it would have been all the more easier for him to retire the following year, it's common knowledge his bad back was the main reason he retired.Tjrover (talk) 18:34, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree with TJROVER. Talking about the factual occurrences resultant from the strike fallout is fine, but when you get into describing the emotional fall out etc it becomes too much and arguably not pov. Furthermore it seems you are trying to start an edit war as you only are re-adding material over other people's objections without even trying to discuss it. Grow up man. Plus you are sourcing this material primarily to a journalist's book, which isn't the best type of source as these books aren't always POV. Just my $.02 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.31.230 (talk) 16:56, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Have to agree with the other 2 comments. Quit being childish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.41.33.196 (talk) 16:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

You continuously re-insert your edits into this article without any form of adjustment to address legitimate concerns and questions that have been raised by your very questionable edits, nor do you make any attempt to discuss here. Furthermore your user page reveals comments from other users asking you to refrain from inserting opinion based edits into several other articles, which is exactly what you have been doing here as well. Please stop. Thank you.Tjrover (talk) 20:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)TJRover

Roger Maris and the HOF

This article lists Maris as a hall of famer. While he probably should be a hall of famer (along with fellow Yankee great Don Mattingly) he's not. Please correct this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.80.255.106 (talk) 02:30, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Why is Number 8 retired twice?

The Infobox has a list of retired numbers. Why is number 8 retired twice?

Anthony22 (talk) 23:20, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Because it is retired for 2 separate players: Yogi Berra and Bill Dickey. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

"New" Yankee Stadium

Has there been a resolution to the naming issue yet? Why do some continue to list the new stadium as "New Yankee Stadium" when the ballpark is called, simply, "Yankee Stadium?" The convention to follow in this type of situation (two distinct and successive ballparks with the same name) is reasonably clear: use Roman numerals in parenthesis when it's necessary to distinguish between the structures. This is how it's done, for instance, with the Polo Grounds (i.e., Polo Grounds (I), Polo Grounds (II), Polo Grounds (III), Polo Grounds (IV)) and Madison Square Garden (i.e., MSG (I), MSG (II), MSG (III), and MSG (IV)). The solution is NOT to create a new name out of thin air, as the misnomer "New Yankee Stadium" does.-PassionoftheDamon (talk) 19:58, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

The Yankees themselves call it "New Yankee Stadium", so it's not out of "thin air". Roman numerals, aside from being uncited reliably, could raise issues with those who would argue that the building just closed is properly "II", and that the 1923-1973 structure was "I". Once the current Yankee Stadium becomes the "old" Yankee Stadium (which is not yet the case on the Yanks website), then the simple solution is to go with "Yankee Stadium (1923)", as with the old Wembley Stadium. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 20:29, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Good points all around, I think this issue will fade over time, especially once the "Old" Stadium is demolished. Tjrover (talk) 22:32, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

GA Nom

I think that this article is good enough to at least be nominated for GA status, so I put it up there. At the very least, we will get a list of corrections that will make it GA, if it's not already. --Sportskido8 (talk) 13:43, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:New York Yankees/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

I only did a skim of the article, but I found several issues already:

• Virtually everything between 1901 and 1981 is unreferenced. I count one ref in that whole segment. That's an auto-fail right there.
• Any quoted statements need to be sourced. I count many that are not.
• The fight and theme song section is unreferenced, as are a couple more sections.
• On the plus side, the refs that do exist are well-formatted.

I'd go further, but with all due respect this article has to be adequately sourced before it'll be seriously looked at. That being said, I like the format, and on the surface the prose seems good. IMO that's the hard part. I'm not expecting every sentence to be linked, that would freeze the page. But sentences such as "Their actions, which antagonized Ban Johnson, garnered them the nickname the "Insurrectos"." and "Throughout the summer, Mantle and Maris hit home runs at a fast pace, with the media calling them the "M&M Boys"." have to be cited. Once everything is cited that needs to be, bring it back to GAN and hopefully it'll turn out better. Wizardman 01:19, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

The quick fail criteria for a GA-nomination is "The article completely lacks reliable sources", not "The article needs more sources". It was good advice, but I'm not sure it warranted a quick fail. --Sportskido8 (talk) 15:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

The Imperial March

In the article The Imperial March, it says that that tune is always played when the guest team enters the playground. Can somebody confirm this? --PaterMcFly (talk) 21:21, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

yamkee unused tickets

i have some tickets i bought at a estate sale there were never used, the reason was that year the Yankees did'nt make the american league playoff but inantisapastion this tickets were printed, can anyony tell me what year this was. Thansk in advance —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.177.208.230 (talk) 18:55, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Criticism of the Yankees

Why does the Yankees page have a criticism section, which the other major league teams lack? When taking into account all of the teams' articles, the Yankee one is not neutral. The 2nd paragraph contains weasel words which is not backed by research ("Much of the animosity toward the team may derive from its high payroll"). Kuvopolis (talk) 03:12, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

If any team should have a criticism section, it's this one. I'm a big fan, but I'll be the first person to admit that this team is criticized more than any other team in the history of sports. --Sportskido8 (talk) 21:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Well for Wikipedia to be a fairly neutral source of info, the Yankees should not be singled out. Kuvopolis (talk) 02:33, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Intro - factual error

Hey there, I just noticed that in the introduction to this entry, the Yankees are referred to as having "more championships that any other franchise in professional sports history..." This is patently untrue - there are many football/soccer teams that have won more than 26 league championships. This section ought to be changed to read something like "more championships than any other North American franchise in professional sports history..." People from all over the world read wikipedia, and the statement as it currently stands is highly USA-centric. Mulliken (talk) 03:21, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I've updated the article to reflect that. One example that contradicts the statement is Juventus, which have won the Serie A scudetto 27 times. Mindmatrix 13:15, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

"Coincidence"

I take a little issue with the line that says that "coincidentally" the last time the Yankees made the playoffs before 1995 was the the last time there was a major work stoppage. This was no coincidence. The fortunes of the Yankees have always ebbed and flowed with collective bargaining. It is no coincidence that the Yankee dynasty was unable to recover from 1964 on--the amateur draft was instituted and they could no longer outbid everyone on players. Similarly it is no coincidence that their fortunes rose again with the rise of free agency bringing Catfish Hunter and Reggie Jackson et al to the big apple. The 1981 CBA restored competitive balance (slightly, the Miller/Fehr crowd would throw the word "collusion" around) and ten different teams won the next ten titles. Since the 1994 strike the rules have once again favored the large market teams. Yes, the Yankees are the most successful franchise in major league history. Nobody is disputing that. But it is no coincidence that they've been a hell of a lot better when money talked. I've removed the line as it offends me as an economist and a baseball fan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.50.71 (talk) 01:11, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Liza Minelli sings New York New York?

NEVER. Win or lose Frank sings. Some Boston fan had to have put this in. How do we get this corrected? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.211.209 (talk) 23:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)