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Use in Film

I think we should mention that this Arena played a huge role in the 1995 action film "Sudden Death" starring Jean-Claude Van Damme? We should link the reference to the wikipedia page for this movie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.41.1.54 (talk) 15:40, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia itself is not a relable source, if you find another source that states it was used I think that's an appropriate thing to add. black ngold29 15:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There have been a few movies filmed there that I'm aware of. Besides Sudden Death, there's The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh and (I think) Zack and Miri Make a Porno. Some refs: [1], [2], [3]. There are more refs out there, those are just a couple I happened to grab. I'm not sure if this information deserves its own section (probably) or if it would be best to add it to the general history section. --Bongwarrior (talk) 07:58, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Seems pretty obvious to me that the Civic Arena was used in Sudden Death. Look at the poster. It was also used in The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh, She's Out of My League and was in Zach and Miri Make a Porno. --Starman15317 (talk) 02:44, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Events

Why is there the line "The arena has also been unable to attract other events, such as music concerts, to Pittsburgh"? It makes it seem like there are no events at all in the Arena which in fact there are several events annually... ClarkBHM 03:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm taking it out of there. I think the attraction of things such as music concerts has more to do with ClearChannel/LiveNation's overwhelming hold on the Pittsburgh market. --Exoterrick 17:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The SRO capacity is actually 17,132 (for the hockey games, at least), is it not? They never break that mark at the games according to the official attendance announcement, and it is clearly noted as a "complete sellout." It's not a big deal, but I wasn't sure how picky everyone was about this.

The fact that the Beatles performed here should be added.

Timeline issue?

From the 'History' section: The 1995 addition of a new scoreboard, though, robbed the stadium of its signature element—the roof can no longer be opened and closed completely.
From the 'Other events' section: The arena was also the setting for the 1995 Jean Claude Van Damme action film Sudden Death, which was set during a fictional Game 7 Stanley Cup Final. One notable point about the movie is that the climax featured the roof being opened during the hockey game.... However, the roof had been disabled from opening for years.

Apparently not, if the scoreboard was only added the same year the movie was made. . . Isaac 17:40, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed possibly incorrect sentence. Flibirigit 04:16, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Penguins (the primary tenant) underrepresented on page

I'm not asking for a detailed history of the team since they have their own page. But no mention of the fact that two Stanley Cup Finals series were played at Mellon Arena... or that the 1990 NHL all-star game (in which Mario scored four goals and won his 3rd all-star game MVP award) was played there??? That's a bit crazy. It might also be worth mentioning that the arena has been home to three different players who have won both NHL scoring titles and MVPs. -Sam 87.65.39.133 14:06, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done -Sam 87.65.39.133 14:57, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted the page to include the Lemieux/Jagr/Crosby sentence added on 6/21. I think those three players are vital to the history of the arena. Additionally, there was no rationale given for the removal of that sentence. -Sam 71.163.75.179 15:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re-write

Having re-written many of the articles concerning Pittsburgh stadiums I felt it would be good to give the same treatment to the only home the Penguins have known. This was one of the more difficult writes that I've done due to the limited sources that are avalible, partially because there doesn't seem to be any books that discuss the Arena in-depth and many of the notable events happend before the internet was even thought of. I did my best with what I have and I hope to find new sources when I can, I do expect more to become avalible as the time of its demolition approaches. I removed multiple concerts and events, but only because they were not sourced. If sources can be found for any of them I hope they are re-added, but I would rather have a short, well-cited factual article than a longer article that is 98% unsourced as it was prior to my re-write. Please feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns. Thanks! black ngold29 03:48, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Non Free SVG Image

As far as I know, (from reading WP:NFCC, and noting that many non-free vectors are used in various articles) non-free SVGs are not against policies. There have been discussions regarding this topic, with no consensus being made. The addition of this image will not harm the article. I do not see the fuss over this. Connormah (talk) 00:03, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As I have stated on your talk page it is not about what format the image is, it is about NFCC#8 which states that the image must significantly increase the reader's understand of the topic. I fail to see how a words in a pretty font increase anyone's understanding of a building. The removal of this image will not harm the article, or the reader's understanding of Mellon Arena, in any way. black ngold29 02:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, adding the image would not harm the article either. Connormah (talk) 03:21, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is true, leaving it in or remvoing it does not make a difference either way. The second part of NFCC#8 states, "[the images's] omission would be detrimental to that understanding". Therefore ommiting the image is more within the guidelines than including it. black ngold29 04:44, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Possible move

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No consensus to move. Note that Civic Arena is now a dab page. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:55, 30 May 2010 (UTC) Mellon Arena → Civic Arena — Though it is still officially known as the Mellon Arena, if it is indeed torn down, should we move it to Civic Arena, since it went under that name for most of its history? Riverfront Stadium is perhaps the best example of a precedent. I don't think at the moment it should be moved, but once the arena's fate is determined then we can go from there. Jgera5 (talk) 05:56, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there are thousands of "Civic Arena"s in the world. "Civic Arena" should be dabified. 76.66.193.224 (talk) 23:40, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose That's an interesting one. I think that it has been known as the "Mellon Arena" long enough that that's what most people refer to it as, and thus what the article should be called. If there is some support then I'm not dead set against it, but I don't see a strong enough argument to change it just because it's going to be torn down. black ngold29 07:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Well despite the opposition if the arena remains standing, looks like it will be renamed Civic Arena anyways. Jgera5 (talk) 04:56, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

When the naming rights expire, I would support a move to Pittsburgh Civic Arena or Civic Arena (Pittsburgh). --Bongwarrior (talk) 04:11, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It officially reverted back to the "Civic Arena" now. The article should be retitled "Civic Arena (Pittsburgh)"--198.252.240.2 (talk) 15:53, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The retractable roof would have been a technological and mechanical wonder for its time and probably still is. My understanding while I was growing up is that the roof was almost never retracted even though it had the capability. Do any locals or others have any information on this and on the engineering that went into co-ordinating the movements of the sections? Also, is there instance of arenas with retractable roofs ever being perfected in "practice" (ie. so opening is a routine and uneventful) as opposed to theory or potential. As well, was the naming of the hockey team (the Penguins) influenced by the shape of the roof and it's nickname, "the igloo". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Consulzephyr (talk • contribs) 13:01, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, the team was so named, in part, because they played in "the igloo". Jack McGregor's wife said: "I was thinking of something with a P. And I said to Jack, 'What do they call the Civic Arena?' And he said, 'The Big Igloo.' So I thought, ice. . . Pittsburgh. . . Penguins." [4] Powers ^T 17:55, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I was born in 1952, and as a small child I viewed a planetarium show on the ceiling of a large retractable roof in Pittsburgh. The roof was then opened to reveal the stars displayed projected on the ceiling moments earlier. A truly amazing show for the time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.96.214.67 (talk) 16:14, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Move to Pittsburgh Civic Arena Salix (talk): 06:58, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mellon Arena → Pittsburgh Civic Arena — Relisting Ronhjones ^(Talk) 00:52, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

BNY Mellon's naming rights have expired, and thus the arena is no longer named Mellon Arena. Ordoinc (talk) 04:57, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure on this one. Does it look like the arena won't be demolished now? If it was going to be torn down in a couple of months, or even a year or two, I'd say keep, but apparently they're looking at reuse now? Powers ^T 11:50, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
N.B.: This page was moved to Civic Arena (Pittsburgh) despite the ongoing discussion here. I have reverted that move until such time as the discussion arrive at a consensus. Powers ^T 20:09, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose. A Google News search suggests that it's still most often called Mellon Arena, regardless of the official name change. Propaniac (talk) 18:59, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
N.B.: the page was moved again despite already having been reverted once, and the presence of an ongoing move discussion. I choose not to revert at this time so as not to move-war. Powers ^T 02:38, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support I think it should be left at its current name of Civic Arena (Pittsburgh) or Pittsburgh Civic Arena. It should definitely not be Mellon Arena anymore. We remove sponsorships from arena article titles when they expire. -DJSasso (talk) 13:37, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Doesn't that go against WP:COMMONNAME, especially for an arena that is disused after the rights expiry? Powers ^T 14:23, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - The arena was known as the Civic Arena (38 years) far longer than it was known as the Mellon Arena (11 years). Current common name from internet sources is going to be Mellon Arena of course because of the sponsorship, but for the 38 years that it didn't have the sponsership it was the Civic Arena, so when you throw sources from all those years in, its clearly no longer the common name. -DJSasso (talk) 17:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - If WP:COMMONNAME doesn't favor recent sources, it should. =) Powers ^T 18:48, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree we should be favouring recent sources - if (very) recent sources have gone back to calling it Civic Arena, then that's fine, but if there's no indication that's about to happen, then we should stick with the existing name.--Kotniski (talk) 11:21, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, I've reverted the disruptive move that was made previously - please wait for the outcome of this discussion before performing any renames.--Kotniski (talk) 11:24, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That isn't how any other subjects handle such situations, they have the name as the name it was known by for most of its life. Since notability isn't temporary, neither is their common name. -DJSasso (talk) 14:43, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not necessarily (consider Edward VIII, for example) - what matters is the name by which it's known now (or rather, how we can reasonably expect it to be known from now on). We need to look at sources since the time it most recently officially changed its name - is actual usage showing signs of following the "official" change?--Kotniski (talk) 15:01, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose, I don't have strong opinions either way on the naming, other than to think its probably not appropriate for us to let the sponsorship name stay. But thats not a huge deal. -DJSasso (talk) 15:04, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Again, the same request: until the discussion produces a consensus, do not move the page from the title where it's been stable.--Kotniski (talk) 16:59, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support will always be the Civic or Igloo to me. —KRM ^{(Communicate!)} 20:58, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support this move. The naming rights have expired, and it's being called differently now, even in Pittsburgh - most of the recent mentions on Google News are quotes or references to when it was called Mellon Arena (e.g., X happened in 2009). Also, cf. Mumbai/Bombay. Magog the Ogre (talk) 10:25, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to Civic Center (Pittsburgh) to reflects its name is now Civic Center, and not incorrectly indicate it is Pittsburgh Civic Center. --Born2cycle (talk) 00:20, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I assume you mean Civic Arena and not Civic Center as that has never been the name. -DJSasso (talk) 01:21, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support using the Sportsman's Park argument, for one thing. That ballpark was called "Busch Stadium" for the last dozen-plus years of its existence, and historians call it "Sportsman's Park" since it had the name for 90 years previous. Regardless of "common names", the arena no longer carries that name, nor did its name span a majority of its history. The article should be titled whatever its official name is. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:13, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Elvis

His last New Year's Eve show mentioned on the Wiki page. I seem to remember a bronze statue of The King in the building's concourse. Is my memory correct? If so, what has become of the statue? I was from Detroit, and visited Pittsburgh and The Igloo only once, in the mid-80s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.121.16.240 (talk) 16:22, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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