Talk:Huma (company)

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COI issues

I have tagged this article for conflict of interest issues. An early contributor to the article was Emilykager, whose only edits are to this article and to add mentions of Medopad to other articles, such as Vodafone and Google Glass. I suspect that the IPs who have since been the most prolific contributors to the article might also have COIs. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:31, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

I've checked the location details of two of the IPs, 84.92.211.94 and 84.92.211.100 and they have "medopad" in their host names. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:37, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Advertising flag

There are a lot of other problems with this article but it no longer looks like an advertisement so I am removing that one flag and leaving the others. Averyevilcentipede (talk) 11:48, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

This would be premature, as there is much promotional material still there. -Roxy the dog™ woof 11:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

I concur - the recognition section almost certainly needs removing but I wanted to check the sourcing a little more closely. SmartSE (talk) 12:08, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Haven't looked at the refs, but the whole section seems UNDUE, all the awards seem to be not really notable outside the medical awards community!! (Adding - if it were a fringe related article, I'd have called them all 'In-Universe' sources) -Roxy the dog™ woof 12:17, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

I also suggest removing the picture of smiling happy people pretending to be doctors, nurses and patients wearing safety glasses in case the ipad explodes. -Roxy the dog™ woof 12:28, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Lol. Ok I've removed both of those - we should only include awards if someone other than the award giver reports on it and in this case none of those met this criteria. Still more to do though. SmartSE (talk) 12:57, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. I learned something. I did not know about the criteria for awards. Now I do. Averyevilcentipede (talk) 13:04, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

It's a rule of thumb rather than a policy or guideline, but considering the number of corporate awards there are, I think it is sensible to follow to ensure appropriate WP:WEIGHT is given to them. SmartSE (talk) 14:04, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Averyevilcentipede, don't let myself or anybody else give any impression that you may have inadvertently done something wrong, because you haven't. In my experience, you learn something about wikipedia every time you edit, or read comments, or contribute to a talk page. it is a huge project that relies on people like us figuring it out! there is policy and guidelines to help, but nobody expect a new editor to know all that stuff. Baby steps and all that. What we are doing in our discussion is establishing a consensus of editors, not particularly strongly at the moment as there are only three of us, but we are getting there. Now back to the article.

It appears to me that this product is merely a stupendously expensive (£90 per month per user) glorified file sharing suite of apps that has been well marketed, and warrants a few sentences in the project only. I look forward to other comments. Truth is, I'm uncomfortable editing in this area, which is outside my little niche of experience. -Roxy the dog™ woof 15:19, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

That sounds like it could hurt the finances of hospitals very seriously. On another note, how many colons are we allowed to indent in before we start over? Averyevilcentipede (talk) 17:13, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

There is no rule regarding colons, editors just do what they want. Convention dictates that each comment gets an extra colon, but there are intricacies beyond that that you shouldn't worry about, but I have committed a small faux pas by adding some to your post above, to illustrate my use of the {{OD}} template above, which has brought the indent back to the left, and put a fancy indication on the page. It is considered very bad form to edit somebody else's comments btw, so I apologise. -Roxy the dog™ woof 17:41, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Updating this page

I would like to contribute to this page. I am however not very familiar with Wikipedia workflow and rules. All the information that I added was removed by another user. What is the solution? What does " Unexplained rmal" mean? There was another change that I did not understand. Is the user who reverted my changes a random user or she has some special permissions? How can we do a review so that I understand the reasons behind reverting the changes? Behzad.samadi (talk) 15:23, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Behzad.samadi. Can I ask whether you are associated with Medopad? If so, you should avoid editing the article and instead request changes here on the talk page (see Wikipedia:Simple COI request for instructions on how to do so). The editor who reverted your edits, Smartse, happens to be an administrator, but no special permission is required to revert changes (see WP:BRD). I assume from the context that "rmal" means "removal" (of content). Cordless Larry (talk) 15:43, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Behzad.samadi: Hi apologies for using abbreviations. "Unexplained rmal" = "Unexplained removal" Because someone had removed what New Scientist had written about the cost of the product (not for the first time either). "partial rv to rm promortion" = "partial revert (undo) to remove promotion". I moved what you added about the trip to China further into the article - the beginning is supposed to summarise the rest, so if it isn't in the main body of the article it shouldn't be in the lead. The rest sounded as if you were trying to promote the company "create personalised care solutions", "partnered with some of the world’s leading technology companies" so I removed this and kept the old version. As it happens, I am an administrator here, but that doesn't give me any power over content, but it does mean that I understand how articles are supposed to be written. If you are in anyway linked to the company, then please read and follow our guideline on conflicts of interest. Thanks SmartSE (talk) 15:47, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

To answer your question, I am not associated with Medopad. However, the CEO of Medopad is from my undergraduate university and I have met him before. That is why I am interested in this company. I would be OK with sending a request to update the page. I am not trying to promote the company. However, I would like to update this page by adding facts. I just used the edit request suggested by Wikipedia in the following. However, I do not have a conflict of interest. I am not paid by Medopad. Nobody has paid me to do this. Behzad.samadi (talk) 05:02, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:31, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit request

Medopad Ltd is a private healthcare AI company specialising in remote patient monitoring. Headquartered in the UK, it is primarily focused on connecting doctors and patients via mobile devices, using analytical data collection to create personalised care solutions. It is partnered with some technology companies including HP and Tencent. Its offices are in London and Shanghai.

In January 2018 Medopad was invited to join UK Prime Minister Theresa May on her trade mission to China meeting President Xi. During the trip it announced over £100m of commercial contracts with major Chinese and international organisations including China Resources and Peking University.

Founding

Medopad was founded in 2011 in Oxford, with early investment from; Bupa, Bayer, Healthbox, Sandbox Industries.

In January 2018, Medopad raised $28m in the first close of its $120 Series A funding round led by investment bank UBS. Hong Kong’s NWS Holdings was a major participator.

Products

Medopad is a remote monitoring and analytics platform that uses modular applications to track and analyse patient data, sharing it with healthcare providers.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Behzad.samadi (talk • contribs) 05:21, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

@Behzad.samadi: All of this information is already in the article, so I do not understand what you think needs changing. Please be more specific if you make another request. Thanks SmartSE (talk) 16:44, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

@Smartse: How can we proceed? Do I have to send requests for adding single sentences? Should I create another request. I am not very familiar with Wikipedia.Behzad.samadi (talk) 14:29, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

@Behzad.samadi: If you wish to request another edit, then yes, it should be in the form of: change X to Y supported by source Z. (Please sign your posts here by adding ~~~~ to the end of your post). SmartSE (talk) 14:03, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Promotional changes reverted in September 2018

Hi Foxfourie (talk · contribs). I reverted the addition of promotional material to the article. In this edit you removed a sentence you had added. Please review Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and the disclosure requirements at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#Paid editing. Please also review Wikipedia:Neutral point of view as well as Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine) and Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources for acceptable sources to use in the article.

Cunard (talk) 08:08, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

HI Cunard (talk · contribs) - Thank you for your message. I'll update according to the guidelines you've given and try and publish it again. Thanks.

Foxfourie (talk) 08:20, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Foxfourie (talk · contribs). Cunard (talk) 06:22, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Rename Page to Huma

Medopad has rebranded to Huma: https://huma.com/

Can someone start the process of renaming this page to Huma?

Thanks.

 Not done The huma.com website includes a single-line banner stating "Medopad is now Huma." This is insufficient to claim that the Medopad company has rebranded as Huma. It more likely means that Huma as acquired Medopad. Since the Medopad website still exists, with no indication of any rebranding, a stronger source than this is going to be necessary to support this claim. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:25, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

No, we've rebranded. I will share press release tomorrow. Sjhank (talk) 19:27, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sjhank: We?? Are you associated with Medopad? Please see WP:COI. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:29, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Should I instead share the press release here and let others make the changes? Apologies was not familiar this was against rules, I was not acting maliciously. Sjhank (talk) 19:31, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sjhank: Yes, I would recommend that you share the press release here and allow others to make any required changes to the article. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:39, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Regardless of whether the name of the company has now changed, we shouldn't change the name in the article where it refers to historical events, as was done here. The company was called Medopad until recently, so we should use that name when the article describes what it was doing in 2013, 2015 and 2018. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:41, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I'll post a link here once I have it and let someone else (you?) make whatever changes are appropriate for Wikipedia's rules. Sjhank (talk) 20:43, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Story in the Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/04/15/medopad-rebrands-acquires-firms-boost-remote-monitoring-patients/ Sjhank (talk) 08:26, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

we also posted this on our Linkedin if this helps: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6656463455777886208 I already uploaded our new logo to Wikimedia which I used in my previous edit (apologies again for that) Sjhank (talk) 10:52, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

The last time I looked at the cost of using this service it was £90 per month per user in a closed system. I made a cursory look again today, and pricing is up to £1000 to £15,000 per licence per annum. Does your company pay well? How do you feel about this sort of thing at a time when the NHS is under a little bit of pressure? How do you feel about the use of meaningless words used to rename companies purely to generate press coverage? -Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 13:44, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

@Roxy the dog: How is this question relevant to the title of the article? It seems that you have something of a bias against this company, and perhaps should avoid editing on this topic? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:23, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

It's not relevant to the title, but this did remind me that there used to be some coverage of pricing in the article, which was apparently removed. I've added it back again. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I already added the news and made all the changes required. These were undone, and I have redone them. Please don't undo them again. I confirm that I am in no way associated with the company. FunkyCanute (talk) 14:34, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

We have offered our COVID-19 solution for free to the NHS in London and at cost price to the rest of the UK, so I feel pretty good about that. But yes - not relevant to this article. Thank you to the other admins for making the change. May I politely point in the direction of our logo should you wish to use it: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Huma_Logo.svg Sjhank (talk) 16:02, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

The last time I looked at the cost of using this service it was £90 per month per user in a closed system. I made a cursory look again today, and pricing is up to £1000 to £15,000 per licence per annum. Does your company pay well? How do you feel about this sort of thing at a time when the NHS is under a little bit of pressure? How do you feel about the use of meaningless words used to rename companies purely to generate press coverage? -Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 16:05, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

My above comment was in reply to this, I'm sorry to hear you feel so negatively about us. Sjhank (talk) 16:16, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Sure you're sorry. Dont you think it looks like shitty exploitation though? Alan M and cronies looking to make huge profits? -Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 16:20, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

@Roxy the dog: I'm going to reiterate: your personal feelings about this company's pricing strategies are not the proper topic of discussion on this talk page. Please restrict yourself to comments about the content of the article. If there is material relevant to pricing that is relevant to the article (and properly sourced) please discuss that, but please keep your own opinions on the matter out of the discussion. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:55, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Good for you. Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 18:05, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Add logo to page

When the page was updated to reflect the new brand/name, the logo was deleted. Can someone with the wiki-know-how add the new logo to the page? It's here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Huma_Logo.svg Sjhank (talk) 16:42, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Done. Yunshui ^雲_水 19:08, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Inaccuracies

Hello, there are several inaccuracies on the Page / out of date information. I am wondering what is the best approach to fix them, as an employee I am aware I cannot directly make edits myself? Thanks. Sjhank (talk) 09:19, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Make your suggestions here. -Roxy the elfin dog . wooF 09:33, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Sorry if this isn't clear, bold bits are edits, plus two new sections.

Huma (previously Medopad Ltd) is a British healthcare technology company based in London, UK. It also has offices in Shanghai and New York.

Products

Enterprise

Huma allows hospitals to pool their patient data into a single platform so it can be served to doctors in real-time.[5][6] Healthcare professionals can securely access lab results, images, clinical notes, and primary care data via a dashboard displayable in a web browser.[7] In November 2013, Huma became the first enterprise-class mobile health information system to receive CE approval.[8]

Some of the clinical applications that Huma include

New section

COVID-19 Huma has a Remote Patient Monitoring (RPM) and Telemedicine solution for COVID-19. It remotely manages patients diagnosed with COVID-19 by tracking symptoms, vital signs, and deterioration. It can also automatically flag high-risk patients. [cite: https://huma.com/healthcare][cite: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidprosser/2020/06/19/huma-proves-the-case-for-digital-health-amid-covid-19-crisis/#4fe74b4649e2]

In response to COVID-19, Huma also configured a decentralised trial solution focused on remote data capture. This includes e-consent, ePRO collection, biometric capture, wearables, and telemedicine/virtual visits. [cite: https://huma.com/life-sciences] Huma partnered with Cambridge University on a research project to improve early detection of COVID-19 infections. [cite: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidprosser/2020/07/23/huma-teams-up-with-cambridge-university-for-remote-patient-covid-19-study/#477aaa87445f]

New section

Partners Huma has partnered with organisations such as the NHS, Bayer, Johnson & Johnson, Tencent, the Singapore Government, and more. [cite: https://huma.com/partners] It has deployed its COVID-19 solutions in Germany and the United Kingdom, having received a contract from the Welsh Government in June 2020. [cite: https://media.service.gov.wales/news/gbp-150-000-awarded-for-digital-solutions-in-response-to-covid-19]

Sjhank (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:03, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Your additions to the lead sound promotional to me. forbes.com/sites are not reliable sources as they are self published. The partners information needs a reliable secondary source to merit inclusion. SmartSE (talk) 14:49, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, the Forbes articles weren't self-published. All the articles are written by journalists that do not work for Huma. Sjhank (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:31, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

In addition to the Forbes articles (which are not self-published), there's also the uni of Cambridge website: https://www.mrc-epid.cam.ac.uk/blog/launch-fenland-covid-19-study/ Sjhank (talk) 15:16, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

@Sjhank: Yes they are - see WP:FORBESCON. If Huma are collaborating with the UoC then they are not an independent source. SmartSE (talk) 16:25, 28 July 2020 (UTC)