Talk:Manche Chʼol

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Review: August 2, 2014. (Reviewed version).

A fact from Manche Chʼol appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 June 2014 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Manche Ch'ol, a Maya people encountered by Spanish conquistador Hernán Cortés in 1525, were nearly extinct by 1770?

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Manche Ch'ol/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Zanimum (talk · contribs) 12:20, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Looks strong, so I'll take this review on. -- Zanimum (talk) 12:20, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Passing "Language", "Territory". The latter is a long paragraph, at least within Wikipedia, but I think it works without a break.

Passing "Organisation and commerce". -- Zanimum (talk) 15:00, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Passing "Spanish contact"-- I fixed an issue in alcalde mayor, but nothing to fix/suggest in your article! I feel so un-useful, this is so polished. :)

"Extinction": Dying of melancholy... I'm presuming this refers to major depressive disorder? Do Caso Barrera and Fernández quote that term from a period document, or is that actually the term that they use?

Melancholy is used in inverted commas by Caso Barrera and Fernández, who source it to a modern (Spanish-language) reprint of a Spanish Colonial document - I have a PDF of the scanned colonial document, but the page references don't match so I can't pin down the sourcing. However melancolía appears to have been a term in use in the 16th century. There's an article at melancholia, and a better one on the Spanish wiki at Historia de la depresión, but I really don't know enough about mental disorders to give an opinion. I assume it refers to the psychological impact of defeat, and the radical change in circumstances, perhaps akin to culture shock. Simon Burchell (talk) 17:48, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Lead": the factoid about being the "last group of eastern Cholan-speakers to remain independent and ethnically distinct"... does that get repeated in the article? I don't remember reading it elsewhere. (I read the lead last). Otherwise, it seems to be a solid summary of the topic.

No it doesn't appear elsewhere, which is why I gave a cite after that sentence. Simon Burchell (talk) 17:50, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Passes Checklinks. Very strong Notes/References/Further reading.

@Simon Burchell: The article is strong enough that I want to put the GA icon on right now, but I'll give you a chance to comment on these two small queries. -- Zanimum (talk) 15:16, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for the review. Best regards, Simon Burchell (talk) 17:50, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA! Congrats. -- Zanimum (talk) 21:24, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again, all the best, Simon Burchell (talk) 21:47, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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20–28 Aug 2023 edits

Hi Simon Burchell (talk · contribs), I had some content for the Manche Chol Territory (polity) but thought it'd be more fitting here rather than as a separate article, given that most of the recent literature seemed to treat the ‘Manche Chol’ as an ethnopolitical group, rather than just an ethnic group. With that in mind I –

restructured the article to read more like a former country article, rather than a former ethnicity one,
added some content and references.

Other than that, I tried to not remove anything, nor edit anything, as this already had GA status. Ofc, feel free to edit / lmk if anything was broken / if smth is wrong here :)

More detailed edit summary –

Dmy, Ube tags added,
Sdesc edited to be in line with that of former countries,
Infobox added in place of lead image,
Sidebar moved up to just below infobox,
Lead para edited to include explicit mention of the polity,
Explanatory footnotes added (following Chinamita scheme of refn-reflist footnotes),
Notes and references reorganised into one section,
Various full references added, with minor edits to existing ones,
Comments added to article body for possible integration into article,
Language section integrated into geography section, or moved to Ch'olan languages or Ch'olti' (which were expanded),
All remaining article content re-organised into Geography, History, and Society sections, just to match other former countries articles,
References to the Manche Ch’ol as Ch’ol-speakers removed, as this might cause confusion given that Ch’ol is another Ch’olan language not identical to Ch’olti’,

I think this is all...? Left to do (ie might do this later / in far future) –

Integrate comments into article content, if info not already there,
Review full references which have not been referenced (I didn't review all references I added).

– Asdfjrjjj (talk) 01:22, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]