Talk:Mameluke sword

Marmelukes are/were carried by others than the USMC. British Gernerals still carry them . British cavalry offices commonly carried them in the 19th Century as did many French officers. I will add this to the article later, along with a phoito of a USMC sword. Epeeist smudge 18:16, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

O'Bannon and the Mameluke sword

Few events in American military history seem so clouded in misinformation and fable as the connections linking Marine Lt. Presley N. O'Bannon, the Mameluke saber, and the sword worn today by Marine Corps officers. Several variations of this story currently appear in Wikipedia articles, including this one, all more or less conflicting on matters as important as basic chronology, key names, and actual events. There appears to be yet another version by an author named Zacks, who reportedly claims that O'Bannon got his sword from the "State of Virginia." What to believe? Recent research by Marine Corps historian and Lt. Col. (Ret.) Dr. Charles H. Cureton reveals what is probably the most likely case, which he published this year. After diligently searching public records, historical archives, and museum collections, Cureton concluded that O'Bannon did indeed receive a Mameluke saber from the Viceroy of Egypt in 1805, prior to the Derna campaign, and that it was "similar" to the Mamelukes also presented to Navy Captain Isaac Hull and Midshipman Mann. Hull's and Mann's Mamelukes survive in museum collections, and O'Bannon's Mameluke is "rumored" to be in the collection of the Kentucky Historical Society. The story that Hamet Karamanli, the intended Bashaw of Tripoli, gave a "jeweled" Mameluke to O'Bannon before or after Derna (both have been claimed) "is not borne out by surviving examples," because Hull's and Mann's Mameluke swords are uniformly "workmanlike" (not jeweled) in appearance. It will be interesting to read Zacks' account in full (I've ordered a copy of the book) and to compare his research with Cureton's. In the meantime, the recent changes to the Mameluke article detailing Zacks' theory can stand until more evidence is gathered to weigh its validity. Jack Bethune 17:42, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Also note that this statement: "Marine Corps lore states that a sword of this type was presented ... on December 8, 1804 ... as a praise for the Marines' actions at the Battle of Derne." is not possibly accurate, as the Battle of Derne (according to the Wikipedia article) occurred during April-May of 1805. Mojodaddy (talk) 16:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone know the distinction between a saber and a scimitar? Both appear to be curved backswords with a definite arc forward from the handle to the blade. Theblindsage 07:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Scimitars usually don't have a closed handle and are more curved. 58.178.29.18 14:33, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

origins

citiations needed, turkic sword is not originated from persian shamshir, actually shamshir is a version of turkic sword.. see turko-mongol swords.

'It is related to the shamshir, which had its origins in Persia from where the style migrated to India, Egypt and North Africa[citation needed] and the Turkish kilij'

it must be removed or find some reliable sources..

only named sword that was in turkish arsenal was yatağan. kılıç is actually the word for sword, turks never named it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.214.98.88 (talk) 23:22, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

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