Talk:Madrid

Lead section

I think that there is a tad too much namedropping of organizations and buildings in the introductory section. They are not essential to presenting the topic, and, in any case, they might be circunvented by a generic statement backed up by a secondary source. Do you agree on a trimming?--Asqueladd (talk) 13:29, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Royal Palaces

This page says that: The King of Spain, the country's head of state, has his official residence in the Zarzuela Palace. That confused me - I though the Royal Palace on Calle de Bailén was the official one.
The Zarzuela Palace page says that: the Zarzuela Palace is the residence and working offices of the reigning monarch of Spain, although the official residence of the Spanish royal family is the Royal Palace of Madrid. The Zarzuela Palace is on the outskirts of Madrid.
As others might be confuused too, I added that distinction to this page, taking the information directly from the Zarzuela Palace page. I phrased it as:

'The Zarzuela Palace, on the outskirts of Madrid, is the residence and working offices of the reigning monarch of Spain (King Felipe VI), although the official residence of the Spanish royal family is the Royal Palace of Madrid.'

I also added line breaks to the section, to distinguish the information about royal, presidential and parliamentary buildings. I didn't change the words.

Someone reverted my edit immediately. Does anyone else consider my edit to be no clear improvement?

Ministry (talk) 17:35, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

It was founded in 109.118.105.102 (talk) 19:03, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

La Zarzuela complex is for all purposes the formal residence of the currently-reigning Bourbon family since 1963, (meaning indeed "official" to some) and the building in which most protocolary (but not all) events pertaining the government role of the ruling monarch take place, as a proper "seat of power". As whether labelling it as official or not inline (given that you might find indeed crappy sources labelling the Royal Palace also as the "official" residence), I personally don't care (after all, the official descriptor and its dichotomy with "non-official" is perhaps extraneous to reality and not relevant in this context), but La Zarzuela is the main protocolary building and labelling it as non-official is asinine. The Royal Palace hardly features any role other than some events in which little soldiers with saber are required and the esplanade next to the Royal Palace is used. All in all, it can be summed up as La Zarzuela complex being the working offices (so much that, akin to Moncloa for government, Zarzuela is used as a metonymy for Royal House) and formal residence of the Monarch and their family (and the only one worthy of mention as a seat of power in the article).--Asqueladd (talk) 12:49, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Che ne so io 95.235.32.33 (talk) 19:37, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Climate classification

Madrid isn’t cold enough anymore, to be designated as cold semi arid https://www.mindat.org/climate-BSk.html דולב חולב (talk) 09:48, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

And with its vegetation and 4 seasons like conditions, it might be more of a Dsa climate. But again not cold enough for it. דולב חולב (talk) 09:57, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

The main criteria for BSk designation is to have an annual mean temperature below 18 C (mean daily temp row in colorful boxes).

This way Madrid would be BSk with no doubt, a doubtable case would be Oran which is between 17 and 18.PAper GOL (talk) 20:35, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes…. But if the place is wet enough, it would have a wetter climate classification right? דולב חולב (talk) 14:22, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

I was talking about cold/hot difference which you mentioned in the first comment.

Madrid is halfway between BSk and Csa.PAper GOL (talk) 14:31, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Madrid is the only European capital with semi-arid climate?

@Uness232 Even though there are areas of the Athens Metropolitan Area that are classified as hot semi-arid, the city center is Mediterranean, something that does not occur in Madrid, since the center of Madrid is cold semi-arid. Most of the Madrid metropolitan area is cold semi-arid, while in Athens it is Mediterranean. In the article, it specifically refers to the city's climate and not its metropolitan area, since for the latter there is the article of Climate of Madrid. Farell37 (talk) 15:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

@Farell37 This is true, but my point problematizes these absolute statements; Athens, if thought of as a metropolitan area, also has a semi-arid climate. You might not be thinking in those lines, but there's nothing stopping people from considering the metropolitan area (indeed the climate section on Athens article covers the metropolitan area not just the city boundaries).

Either way, a claim like would need a reliable source. Uness232 (talk) 16:19, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Even with all that said we still have an half-Asian case that is Nicosia. Isn’t it better to not have such statement here?PAper GOL (talk) 21:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

It is important to keep in mind that Nicosia is not entirely located in Europe. Part of it is in Europe, while another part is in Asia. With regard to the climate context, it is much more appropriate to take Europe's geography into account than its geopolitics, as climate is an area of ​​atmospheric sciences and geography. Making Nicosia part of Europe generates many controversies. Farell37 (talk) 21:50, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Arabic name

"From the Arabic maǧrà / majrā (meaning "water stream")[ref 1: Pérez Orozco] or Arabic: ‏مجريط‎, romanized: majrīṭ, lit. '"spring", "fountain"'.[ref 2: Ikram Khayat] The latter is the first documented name of the settlement.[allegedly based on Khayat]"

The claim that the Khayat source would contain the theory that مجريط (majrīṭ, "spring") "is the first documented name of the settlement" is completely wrong. Khayat only implies that Madrid was founded by Arabs. Not a word about any document containing the name (I was curious about the nature and date of such a document; nada, nothing).

Also, the Arabic name and its transcription differ:

• مجريػ not مجريط
• Mayrit not majrīṭ

English-speaking readers will read j like in Joe, not as the Germanic j in Jürgen.

I don't read Arabic, but the last letter is different.

Too many inaccuracies to allow the alleged ref to remain standing. Now we have a major claim w. no source to support it. Arminden (talk) 06:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Initially, Khayat was not invoked as a source for the alleged first document containing the name. It was only later pushed into the unwanted job :) For years, the claim was simply left unsourced.

It was an anonymous editor who made this edit here, with related changes in the previous edit. I'm removing the unsourced claim, waiting for a source if such does exist. Arminden (talk) 07:12, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Habibicb, hi. You have introduced the claim that "This Majrit (romanized as Magerit) is the first documented name of the place" here, edit summary "This information is very important". Please support it with a source; without a source, it must remain deleted. Thanks. Arminden (talk) 07:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Yet another anonymous editor has introduced the change in what the source actually says, claiming that they've "fixed typo in the arabic and changed transliteration from Spanish to English orthography" (here), by turning mayrit (مجريػ) to majrit (مجريط). This is prohibited by default (an editor can never contradict the referenced source), plus it looks illogical, given that the author seems to be an Arabic native-speaker. Changed it back. However, the claim MIGHT still be correct, but then it must be supported by its own source. Anyone? Arminden (talk) 07:57, 4 November 2024 (UTC)