Talk:London fog (drink)

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Hello, I see that this page is being edited as part of a class project. After reading through the article I have some suggestions.

In the header it may be beneficial to clarify the line "Variations of the London fog involve substituting the tea leaves and milk alternatives." consider saying "Variations of the London fog involve substituting the kind of tea and using milk alternatives."

First from what I have found there is conjecture about the true origins of the London fog as the claimed originating cafe closed in 1996 making it difficult to definitively claim its origins. I have not found many sources outside of the spoon university article. A Blog post I found makes it seem as though further research is needed into this matter.

It may be beneficial to link this article to Milk tea

The health benefits and precautions sections do not seem to be necessary. London Fogs are not generally marketed as health products and do not pose any more benefit or risk than any other tea or soft drink. Pages for similar drinks do not include these sections and including them implies that there is something special about London Fog.

Engiedraws (talk) 16:18, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, there is a large amount of original research in the current iteration of the article, particularly of the synthesis variety. If there are sources talking about the health effects of the London fog, then any information provided should come from those sources. If there are no such sources, it isn't the place of Wikipedia editors to take an interest of their own in the question "What are the health effects of a London fog?", perform their own research and analysis based on its ingredients, and report their conclusions here. This goes for both the "health benefits" and "precaution" sections.

It's as though every article on a cocktail repeated the general health and safety effects of drinking alcohol, as though those effects were particular to the cocktail the article is about. People interested in those can find out about them from Alcohol (drug).

On top of that: "London Fog is a black tea which is a black tea." Come on.

If someone else hasn't either fixed up those sections so they reflect what sources say about London fogs, or else removed them, in the next couple of days, I will remove them. Largoplazo (talk) 16:41, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the reinclusion of the claim about the drink originating in Vancouver—well, I don't know whether it's true or not, but one more reference to it in a blog post by someone who mostly likely has no source for the information that isn't anecdotal is still not a reliable source. Especially when the story that goes with it makes no sense. A woman who was pregnant went looking for a coffee substitute to avoid caffeine, so she switched to a drink ... with caffeine in it? Unless she used decaf tea—but then she could also have switched to decaf coffee, right? So avoiding caffeine would have nothing to do with inventing the London fog. This is where critical thinking skills come into assessing the suitability of a source.

In addition, Google turns up almost nothing about a Mary Loria and London fog. The couple of relevant hits are just as flimsy. "As it turns out ...", but the author didn't see any reason to enlighten us as to how it turned out that way. Largoplazo (talk) 00:15, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've edited the article as set forth above. Largoplazo (talk) 03:01, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

London fog tea

It’s also very popular in Saskatchewan. I don’t know about any other provinces for sure, but I’ll bet it is popular across the country. 2605:B100:908:563D:A9F0:6E2B:80E5:4DAB (talk) 23:14, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]