Talk:Timeline of largest passenger ships

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The article is mess. Neither length nor tonnage are stated. Also date of launch, service, renamings, modifications etc. are needed. -- Matthead Discuß 02:51, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The SS France is listed for 1972 and again for 1990. I can find no evidence that another ship was built with the same name, or that the old ship returned to it's status as largest ship in the world several years later. I removed the 1990 line pending verification. Pacomartin (talk) 16:58, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Costa Cruises

How come Costa Cruises ship isnt included? The one which is currently being towed away, after running aground in the Mediterranean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.43.227.18 (talk) 05:17, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose move Brixtonboy (talk) 15:32, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Combine everything

I noticed that each century has a list AND table. Would suggest combining the list and table together? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.43.227.18 (talk) 18:44, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 22 April 2015

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No consensus. After over a month, consensus has not materialized. A centralized discussion on the relevant title formatting rules may be a better route to changing such practices. bd2412 T 15:14, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

– As per other pages starting "Chronological list ..." or "List of the world's ..." and per Ngrams for "List of the world's,List of world's". Possible presentations for these articles may be up for debate and the above should only be taken as suggestion. For examples of parallel usages see search results for site:https://wiki.riteme.site/ "List of" AND ("in the world" OR "world's"). Back to pedantry I was wondering whether ships are best left being defined as of the world and, perhaps, in the seas. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 17:30, 1 May 2015 (UTC) Greg Kaye 09:37, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Timeline of the world's largest passenger ships ? -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 03:35, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

65.94.43.89 thank you and this seems like a possibility. Timeline I think is often written to describe commentaries of events and that would leave the article open to significant broadening and change of topic. Greg Kaye 01:39, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Cutoff date of 1831

I have established a cutoff date of 1831 as things get murky regarding the largest sailing passenger ships of the time. If anyone out there can provide reliable references for a ship before the SS Royal William being the world's largest passenger ship then feel free to add it. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:18, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Include SS City of Berlin?

Technically speaking for 6 years the SS City of Berlin held the title of the world's largest active passenger ship. Should we go by years of activity for ""title held" or years in existence? For example, if a ship is scrapped or sunk it no longer holds the title. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:19, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Adding a "status" column

I want to say first off that these edits were done in good faith and thank @Angelgreat: for their work. My issue with the columns is that they are a bit out of scope with the article. This list is meant to be a timeline on when there ships were the largest in the world. If this were disrupted in anyway (sinking, ect...) only then would this information be included as relevant to the timeline. The other things are less significant... for example the SS Great Eastern was not scrapped in 1889 alone nor was this the final year of breakup. A note attached to the years as largest ship state that the breaking up was not completed until 1891. So the point of the SS City of New York becoming the largest ship in the world is in a gray area. Anyways... bottom line is once a ship is no longer the largest in the world then there are other lists plus the articles which dive deeper into their non record impacting fates. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 04:01, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Knowledgekid87: There are some people that may want to know about the fate of the vessel after they held the title. For example, the Great Britain is the only 19th century vessel listed that is still around, the others having Sank or been scrapped. Also, some more recent vessels have newer names or even owners. Also the status fits on mobile. I'm not sure if you're using a different device. I think it's best to readd it.Angelgreat (talk) 04:38, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I found a significant error in this list

One relatively forgotten ship is the SS Adriatic (1856 ship). She was the final ship built for the Collins Line and her Wikipedia article states that she was the "largest passenger liner of her day". After some more research, I can conclude that she was indeed the largest passenger ship in the world as many sources state that Adriatic was 3,670 gross registered tons. Upon completion in 1857, she surpassed the RMS Atrato (1853) in size. Adriatic would unfortunately only go on to complete one round voyage for the Collins Line as the company collapsed from the losses of SS Arctic and SS Pacific (1849). Despite this, Adriatic should undoubtedly be included in this list. Adriatic was only surpassed in size by the SS Great Eastern in 1858. NB Ocean Liner History (talk) 00:21, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RMS Persia

If someone wants to help, this needs some research per "She was the first Atlantic record breaker constructed of iron and was the largest ship in the world at the time of her launch.^[1]^[2]^[3]"

This would put Persia in the timeline of SS Atrato (1853 – 1857 record) which had 3,466 GRT versus Persia's 3,300. It is possible Persia was the "World's largest ship" between 1855 (Persia launch date) and 1857 if Atrato was lowered in weight. I just need a source to confirm this information... - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:25, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did some research and found out RMS Persia was actually 3,414 GRT.[1] As for RMS Atrato, that reduction in tonnage didn't happen until 1872. Thus RMS Persia should not be added to this list. NB Ocean Liner History (talk) 04:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@NB Ocean Liner History: Okay thanks! =) - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:00, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Othfors, Daniel. "Persia 1856 - 1872". thegreatoceanliners.com. Retrieved 2009-10-17. By 1855, the new liner was nearing completion. She was launched and christened Persia a few months before she set out on her maiden voyage from Liverpool to New York on January 26, 1856. Three months later she had captured the Blue Riband of the Atlantic for Cunard. As Persia was the largest vessel in the world at the time, Cunard had now totally surpassed the Collins Line. ... As late as 1863, the Persia lost the Blue Riband in both directions to her sister – the last paddle steamer Scotia.
^ "S/S Persia, Cunard Line". norwayheritage.com. Retrieved 2009-10-17. This leviathan vessel, the largest steam-ship afloat in the world - far exceeding in length, strength, tonnage, and steam-power the Great Britain...
^ "Cunard History at a Glance" (PDF). Cunard Line & Redpoint Marketing PR. Retrieved 2009-10-17. 1856 — The famous Persia is built, the company's first iron-hulled transatlantic vessel. The largest ship in the world at the time, she was 390 feet long and 3,330 gross registered tons.

RMS Queen Elizabeth 2

This is something that i've noticed for a while now. Many sources are saying that QE2 had a GRT of 70,327. If that were the case, QE2 should've been considered the largest passenger ship in the world after the original Queen Elizabeth was destroyed by the fire. Since SS France was only 66,343 GRT at the time, QE2 should be added to this list. However, the sources also state that 70,327 GRT was her tonnage at the time of her retirement. I need someone to please figure out QE2's true tonnage at 1972 to determine if QE2 really belongs on this list. NB Ocean Liner History (talk) 03:00, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am leaning no here as I found sources from 1975 and 1978 which give the QE2's weight at 65,863 GRT. [2], [3] - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:14, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To complicate things further...this source says she was first increased to to 67,107 and later to 70,327 GRT.[4] - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:17, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly GRT is not weight. Secondly I think there is confusion between GT and GRT in the sources. Thirdly I am dubious of the authority of the sources. Finally the source given in SS France does not support the quoted tonnage. I think to resolve you need to look at the annual Lloyds Registers Lyndaship (talk) 15:25, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Mariners Weather Log is published by NOAA which gives it creditability. I do agree that the annual Lloyds Registers is another good place to look, though. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:29, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure it's an excellent source for weather matters but not necessarily for the tonnage figure of a ship see WP:RSCONTEXT Lyndaship (talk) 15:45, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another error found in this list

One thing I have noticed is that SS Great Britain is included on this list from the time it was launched, which was 1843. However, it wouldn't be completed until mid 1845. While some sources do state that the Great Britain was the "largest ship in the world" at launch, this wouldn't make sense for this timeline. If we consider a ship to be the "largest in the world" at it's launch, then we'd have to make many changes on this timeline. Therefore, I propose to have the SS Great Britain gain her title as the largest passenger ship, at the time of her completion, which was mid 1845. That would mean SS British Queen's record would be held from 1841-1844. British Queen would only hold it until 1844 because it was scrapped that year. Now that we have this 1 year gap until the SS Great Britain is completed, we would have to add Cunard's RMS Hibernia to the timeline. Hibernia was Cunard's largest liner at 1,422 GRT [5], and it was in operation at the time SS British Queen was scrapped. So Hibernia would hold this title from 1844-1845. However, on January 4, 1845, Cunard's RMS Cambria departed Liverpool on its maiden voyage to Halifax and Boston. RMS Cambria was also 1,423 GRT [6], making it larger than her sister, RMS Hibernia. Therefore, we would also have to add RMS Cambria to this timeline starting from January 1845. Cambria would hold the title until mid 1845 when SS Great Britain was finally completed. If there is any other opinions regarding this manner, please let me know! NB Ocean Liner History (talk) 19:52, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like I made a mistake here. I completely forgot that SS Great Western was increased to 1,700 GRT after 1839. So that would mean SS Great Western would hold the record from 1844-1845. There would be no need to include Hibernia or Cambria in this timeline. My apologies everyone. NB Ocean Liner History (talk) 21:57, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[thegreatoceanliners-1] Othfors, Daniel. "Persia 1856 - 1872". thegreatoceanliners.com. Retrieved 2009-10-17. By 1855, the new liner was nearing completion. She was launched and christened Persia a few months before she set out on her maiden voyage from Liverpool to New York on January 26, 1856. Three months later she had captured the Blue Riband of the Atlantic for Cunard. As Persia was the largest vessel in the world at the time, Cunard had now totally surpassed the Collins Line. ... As late as 1863, the Persia lost the Blue Riband in both directions to her sister – the last paddle steamer Scotia.

[norwayheritage-2] "S/S Persia, Cunard Line". norwayheritage.com. Retrieved 2009-10-17. This leviathan vessel, the largest steam-ship afloat in the world - far exceeding in length, strength, tonnage, and steam-power the Great Britain...

[Cunard_History-3] "Cunard History at a Glance" (PDF). Cunard Line & Redpoint Marketing PR. Retrieved 2009-10-17. 1856 — The famous Persia is built, the company's first iron-hulled transatlantic vessel. The largest ship in the world at the time, she was 390 feet long and 3,330 gross registered tons.

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