Talk:List of unofficial presidents of the Philippines

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José P. Laurel

Hasn't Laurel been recognised as an official President of the Philippines since the 1960's? And, if so, should he be in this list? Faunas (talk) 18:23, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

He has been recognized officially. See this from gov.ph. I've removed him.--Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 13:53, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That mention in passing at http://www.gov.ph/2011/03/09/jose-p-laurel/ looks like something less than a ringing official recognition. However, see http://www.gov.ph/inaugural-addresses/ and http://malacanang.gov.ph/presidents/. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 01:21, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

President FPJ

This is a big issue specially in the government. Various groups and sectors recommend that Fernando Poe Jr. must be considered as an unofficial president due to controversies related to 2004 presidential elections. Gloria Macapagal Arroyo was proven to manipulate the election. I recommend that Fernando Poe Jr. must be recognized as an unofficial president, please consider this statement... - 121.54.2.91 (talk) 13:31, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How is he an unofficial President if the article clearly states than an "unofficial President" is one that had actually taken office as the President of a government representing the Philippines? No offense to FPJ, but he cannot be considered an unofficial President if he hasn't actually sat as a President of a government representing the Philippines the way the people on this list have. (Now if the COMELEC says otherwise, then we'll see where we can go from there.) --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 06:12, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

<onlyinclude> and </onlyinclude> tags

I noticed today a number of <onlyinclude> and </onlyinclude> tags sprinkled throughout this article. Offhand, I can't think of any reason these ought to be there. Should they be removed? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:34, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Meaning of "de facto"

Was Bonifacio ever the "de facto" president of the Philippines? Not according to the generally accepted definition of "de facto" in international English. Saying so argues that he exercised all the powers of a president without the title. Bonifacio never exercised the powers of a president; the Governor-General did. Rather he was president of a revolutionary movement that arguably is the first Philippine government, or certainly had pretensions to be that -- and therefore arguably the first Philippine president. He never exercised presidential power except in a limited way in limited territory over a limited period. Of course if we have a quote from a credible WP:third party source then we can add a quote calling him de facto but outside of a direct quote, I do not see how we can describe him as the de facto president of the Philippines. --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 13:38, 28 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Removed Imelda Marcos and Laurel

See comments above re Laurel. Imelda on the other hand has never been called a president and never pretended to be president. Co-president maybe. Conjugal president, yes. But who called her "president" without any qualifier and when? --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 13:57, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I never heard Imelda being called as "co-president" or "conjugal president". Academic sources has branded Imelda having a conjugal dictatorship with her husband who was official president. Imelda was a first lady who held considerably more power than other first spouses, arguably equal to the president, but there must be scholarly source to support Imelda as "president" not merely "having power equal to the president". Imeldific, the editor who added Imelda cited a book. A quotation to support this for verification purpose is requested, along with page no, chapter name where the supporting quotation is found. Perhaps a link to an online copy of the book if applicable.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 16:39, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Imeldific (talk · contribs) is a WP:SPA who only edits Imelda Marcos related topics, such as promotion of Mrs. Marcos as the primary topic of Imelda, making her the representative of all people named Imelda. Giving the Imelda Marcos article a royalty infobox because somehow she is royalty. -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 03:29, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:Hariboneagle927, good point. I erred. "Conjugal dictatorship" is the phrase, not conjugal president, and that is an important distinction. "Dictatorship", the word, has a suggestion of being outside the law, outside of former titles. One can be a dictator but not hold any official position. That is not the same as "president". A president is a position within a system of laws, a constitution. There have been many dictatorships in the world where the president was held by a figurehead with no real power, and the real power was wielded by legally lesser functionary. --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 03:24, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Unofficial Vice Presidents

The unofficial vice presidents list should be transferred here. The unofficial list are not recognized anyway. --121.54.54.133 (talk) 01:14, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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