Talk:List of musicians using Amharic vocals

Artists must be notable (i.e. have an English Wikipedia article)

Entries in List-class articles must generally be notable in their own right. For English Wikipedia, that means the subject has its own article here on the project where we have independently assessed notability. Red link = no article = no list entry. See WP:WTAF. 2600:8800:1880:68:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 19:56, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

@2600:8800:1880:68:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 Some of these are more notable than most who have pages, these are artist from Ethiopia before the Wikipedia age, and don't have articles. I included these artists as a reminder because there will be pages created for them. I included sources for them, so they are not just red links without nothing to show for. Stop removing them, i'm in the process of gathering more sources, you can also be helpful in gathering sources, creating pages, instead of being disruptive in my view. I will be reverting them back. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 20:53, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

You are edit-warring. You are disruptive. You are ignoring policy. Write the articles first, when they pass AFD (as your previous articles did not) then they can stay in this list article. 2600:8800:1880:68:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 21:00, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

@2600:8800:1880:68:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 Stop lecturing me IP user, i'm in the process of gathering sources @Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Research desk, you are the one that is disruptive and far from helpful, you can also be constructive, contributing constructively to this encyclopedia for example assist in gathering sources or creating articles, which other users recently pointed out on your talk page. In response to your partially misleading statement >> Write the articles first, when they pass AFD(as your previous articles did not). Only one single article got deleted, one of my first attempts to create a article. Two others that followed got approved. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 22:06, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Third Opinion

First, both of you need to chill and be civil. In my opinion, the red links can stay if an editor says that they are working on draft articles, but not indefinitely. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:14, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you @Robert McClenon: for providing your opinion. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 22:47, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

According to WP:CSC, Red-linked entries should be accompanied by citations sufficient to show that the entry is sufficiently notable for an article to be written on it (i.e., citations showing significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject). So what is required here is WP:SIGCOV, and a Library of Congress entry does not amount to that. Dawit has already indicated a struggle with finding WP:RS, I would be interested to see what can be provided. 2600:8800:1880:68:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 02:15, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@2600:8800:1880:68:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B2 According to the same WP:CSC, Red-linked entries are acceptable if the entry is verifiably a member of the listed group and it is reasonable to expect an article could be forthcoming in the near future. 1) Library of Congress sources are there to confirm that the vocals are in Amharic, for which this list are intended, and thus verifiably a member of the listed group. 2) I reached out to Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Research desk because some sources about a artist biography, achievements are paywalled, some are classics from Ethiopia before Wikipedia was online, and there information maybe archieved. Hoewever they are notable, and not completely without sources, i'm looking for additional sources. You can also be constructive in this regard by registering an account, and assist in gathering sources and creating articles. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 04:42, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@Dawit S Gondaria: how are those articles coming? You've had quite a bit of time to create them. 2600:8800:1880:68:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 17:41, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

2600:8800:1880:68:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B2 I have been busy in real life, not enough time. But i will be creating draft articles for a couple of them before the 7th, last time i checked, 2 weeks haven't passed. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 18:31, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Suggestions

I added a few images to adorn the page; just enough to match the length of the text. I selected some of the better quality photos of musicians that seemed to be singing or performing in their main photo.

I noticed there is a category "Amharic-language singers" and there are a few entries in the category that are not yet in the list article. I added one (Tilahun Gessesse), but someone might want to see if any others should be added to this list article.

I also noticed the alphabetizing is mostly by first name. I did not re-sort the list because I am not familiar with whether or not they should be sorted by surname, or even if surnames are traditionally the last name in the Amharic culture. Some of the musicians' articles showed a sort order by last name and some by first name. For example, Eden Alene shows as DEFAULTSORT:Alene, Eden, however Tilahun Gessesse shows as DEFAULTSORT:Tilahun Gessesse (when you edit the article, check near the bottom for the default sort notation).

Platonk (talk) 16:37, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Platonk thank you for contributions to improve this article, and filling the empty space. You're right usually you don't sort by the surname in Amharic culture, you are refered to by your first name first, and your father first name is the surname, but since the list includes artist stage names Jeremy Cool Habash or Ethiopian Armenian Vahe Tilbian, or in case of Eden Alene it might because of a custom adaptation there in Israel, or not correctly written in the article. So i think, it's better to clarify in bio articles, rather than poundering on each entry in the list whether the first name or last name should come first, at least that's my take on this.

I overlooked that category, saw a few that could be added to this article as well, thanks! Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 02:55, 20 November 2021 (UTC)