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Q1: How do we present cities that are split between Asia and Europe, such as Istanbul?

A: The entire population is listed, and a footnote provided noting details of the split. The discussion that resulted in the current policy was Talk:List of European cities by population within city limits/Archive 1#Rfc: How to evaluate cities or countries which are split between Asia and Europe?.

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Solution to edit wars on which cities are in Europe and which are not

Just use this map. Makes everything easier. That map should be used in all Europe/Asia border clash type of articles actually. Youprayteas (t • c) 11:58, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you are not serious here... I can find a map proving anything regarding Euroasian border. When I feel like Istanbul is in Asia a can just use this one. --Pan Někdo (talk) 10:11, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lol whole of Russia is in Europe?? At least Turkey is doable but still to end this war let's just use one continent called Eurasia. Fights over; Turkey is in Eurasia and Russia is in Eurasia. RickyBlair668 (talk) 07:21, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What I meant was that Turkey, Russia, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Armenia should be included in all Europe and Asia matters Youprayteas ^talk^/^contribs 14:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But that's absurd: should we recognise Vladivostok as European? Or Kaliningrad as Asian? Obviously not... --Pan Někdo (talk) 14:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well Vladivostok is mostly populated by Slavs. 2001:8000:1027:6600:64D4:5DDF:83B7:8735 (talk) 04:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where is Athens?

... 2A02:587:8737:1400:E124:E699:280A:754A (talk) 10:28, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As the Athens page says, the population is 643,452. FromCzech (talk) 11:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the numbers for Istanbul

Okay, I've made this exact change years ago, and someone recently undid the same thing by doing their own math and changing the header so that they could promote the numbers of Moscow to 1st place. This page uses official numbers, and you cannot just do your own math by arbitrarily excluding districts of Istanbul. We can only look at official figures and, it is 15 million and change. Not 10 million. Any uninformed person who would check this page and would automatically assume that Istanbul has 10 million people in it, which is not true. Istanbul is just one city with one official population.

You can read the previous discussion on this topic by checking the archive at this link here: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:List_of_European_cities_by_population_within_city_limits/Archive_2 2601:647:5E00:6C1:C4A:FE19:8B94:5102 (talk) 21:28, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brussels

I think this page says the population of Brussels is 1,222,657 so shouldn't it be on spot 24 in this list? P1eterProp (talk) 15:11, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That page refers to Brussels Capital Region, not to City of Brussels. FromCzech (talk) 19:11, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Although Brussels is comprised of 19 municipalities, including the City of Brussels (which is the center of Brussels), the whole capital region is treated as one city in reality. This is similar concept as London, which is listed here, vs. City of London which is only a tiny portion of London. When people refer to Brussels (including those living in Belgium), it is never about the City of Brussels, but the entirety of the capital region as one undivided city. Therefore, Brussels should be listed. J 2A02:A03F:6B1B:CD01:C969:B619:4414:1315 (talk) 20:17, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any objective criteria according to which we can consider Greater London as city limits and Greater Athens as not city limits? Are there any according to which we can consider Brussels Capital Region as city limits and Helsinki Capital Region as not city limits? I believe the only reason is that for some of the cities their administrative status is more commonly known than for the others, and that for some of the cities the population count of city proper would be more surprising than for the others. In my opinion, neither Brussels nor London should be considered as having over a million population within city limits. Dżamper (talk) 00:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cities from the EU correspond to administrative units at the LAU level. Non-EU cities correspond to a similar level within each country. So the non-inclusion of Brussels is fine and in accordance with the methodology, the only question is the eventual (non-)inclusion of London. I don't think the current situation needs fixing and I would keep London, but if there was a strong consensus to drop London, I can understand that. FromCzech (talk) 09:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ankara not allowed to be added to the list

Ankara must be added to this list. As the anonymous user said: if Baku, Tbilisi and Yerevan are there, Ankara must be there too. There is no reason to revert those edits. Some sources include Ankara as European as well. @FromCzech @Lionel Cristiano PRCALWP (talk) 09:25, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The cities should be listed according to this map. PRCALWP (talk) 09:36, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The current form (limited inclusion of Caucasian cities) is the result of user consensus from past discussions, such as this and this. Ankara has never been part of the debates because it is clearly located in the Asian part of Turkey, see e.g. Boundaries between the continents, List of transcontinental countries and Turkey. The selective choice of a particular map is irrelevant. FromCzech (talk) 09:54, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]