Talk:List of Cardcaptor Sakura episodes

Toonami commercial

Regarding an edit on May 9, 2006, I'm unsure of the timing of the commercial, whose audio link was provided. To my knowledge, Cardcaptors aired on Toonami only during the summer of 2001, after which it practically disappeared from the channel. I think Cartoon Network did air some commercials on behalf of Kids' WB, though, so that may be it.

http://www.toonamiarsenal.com/download/ccs.php -- I used this page to prove that there was Cardcaptors on Toonami in the summer, but the page is lacking this December commercial. Hm. --Crisu 00:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Table Format

Is there a way to change the table so that every other row is another color? Like grey, white, grey, white, etc?RecklessFire 17:09, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Applied. --Crisu 21:46, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Now the text needs to be centered. I think it would look better.RecklessFire 18:04, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Birth of Cardcaptor Sakura

In description of first BD Box of CCS on CD Japan (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=GNXA-1038) written about some kind of omake "Birth of Cardcaptor Sakura". So... what is it? Is this one of three old omake or something new? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.9.40.88 (talk) 00:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

That's one of the three Kero-chan recap specials not listed here. They recap the episodes shown before them, and memorable card captures. They were also on the DVD box sets, but I don't know about the LDs and VHS. I don't know specifically what "three old omake" you are referring to, but if it's the Katsuyaku Video Nikki ones, then nope, this is something different. Akata (talk) 01:42, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Merged talk pages

From List of Cardcaptor Sakura episodes (season 1)

Proposal to merge

This article is kind of small so I'm proposing a merge with episode 19-46 and renaming the article to "List of Cardcaptors Sakura Clow Clow Arc episodes". Or merge with just episode 19-35 and renaming the article "List of Cardcaptors Sakura Season one episodes". Anyone agree? Rezumop (talk) 03:50, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga#List of Cardcaptor Sakura episodes for a discussion where the Anime project has already agreed to a merging/cleaning up the episodes. :) AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:57, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Are these actual season devisions, or are people just going off of the OP/EN changes? -- Ned Scott 03:26, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, they are the actual seasons. 1-35 is season 1, 36-46 for season 2, and the rest for season 3. Confirmed by AoD at [1]. :) AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Page Layout

I was wondering if anyone can help fix the layout? For some reason after episode 20, the bars separating the sections and box disappears. I tried everything I could and searched for a difference, but I can't seem to find any. AjaaniSherisu (talk) 05:40, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Its because of those bullets. The whole page needs a complete redo. I did the first 20 just to remove the bullets, but it really needs a total restart, but for a quick fix, someone just needs to go through and take out the bullets and make them a paragraph. Will be bad prose, but it will fix the format at least. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 05:46, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I thought so too, but episode 20 also contains those bullets and it is fine. AjaaniSherisu (talk) 05:59, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

No, it isn't. It is what is breaking the rest. Also, please do not remove the tags from the lists, they are all valid. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 06:02, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps maybe you read me wrong. There is nothing wrong with the layout in the 1st 20 episodes, but as soon as the 21st one shows up, the grey bar separating the pieces, such as costume and airdate seem to disappear. I will help get rid of the bullets, but they aren't what is causing the problem I am talking about. Also you should read the discussion list, the creator mentioned to discuss first before adding tags. Not yet have you done anything about any of the tags you have added. Those 2 tags do not apply, as you can't make an episode list longer than the episodes there are. Either the episode list should be removed for being too small or we keep it the way it is. Either way it isn't going to get any longer, as you can only write as many episodes as there are in the season.

Also I do not see anywhere in that article that implies that this is a fansite. I agree that there are a lot of unverified claims, but that is what the lack of verified claims tag is for. AjaaniSherisu (talk) 06:10, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I read you fine, and I'm telling you what I already know from experience. Also, the creator can't ask someone not to tag his article, that violates WP:OWN. Discuss before tagging is not required at all. All three lists have tons of issues. Too short refers to the LEAD, not the article. The leads are all too short. And it does read like a fansite with all the OR stuff in it. As for me not doing anything, I've done plenty, it just isn't visible to you because you weren't here when it was done and can't see much of it because of page merges and moves. I haven't had time to really dig down and start the total CCS overhaul yet, so I'm sorry if I'm not moving fast enough. I prefer to do one big project like that at a time and I'm still wrapping up the Tokyo Mew Mew fix ups. I also usually start with the main before hitting the spin-outs, and am waiting to see where certain discussions will go as they will also affect these lists.-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 06:23, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

The bullets aren't what is causing the problem I am speaking of. As I said before, I thought the bullets were what was causing the problem I discussed, but I tested it and the problem still existed. You can't tell me that my own testing is lying to me. I had removed the whole word portion of the episode it started at from the bullets to the last word of the episode's text and replaced it with a random text and clicked Show Page so as not to replace the page but make sure I can spot the difference. If it were the bullets that were causing this, episode 21 would look just like episode 20 and it would of been episode 22 and down that had the problem. Episode 21 continued to display the same error as beforehand, so it's not the bullets. Although I do agree with you that we should remove the bullets so that it looks like the first 20 that you did.

I was wondering though, what did you mean by the OR stuff though? I'll try to work on it a bit, but I need to know what shouldn't be there. Also, thank you for mentioning why you haven't been focusing on CCS, and it's ok if you aren't working at a faster pace, I just wanted to make sure you weren't trying to force all this extra work on us while not being a part of it. I'm glad that you are being a part of it ^_^. AjaaniSherisu (talk) 06:41, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Again, I did read you correctly and I knew what I was talking about. It is the bullets. I just removed the bullets from ep 20, as I said was the problem, and now 21 appears to be correct. For the OR has already been removed, like "characters focused on", but also the timeline stuff is OR as are some of the plot interpretations peppered throughout the "summaries". -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 06:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

It is and it isn't the bullets. For some reason when Wikipedia did a software upgrade, bullets started breaking if they were the last line in the summary area. It used to work just fine. The fix for this would be to just place a non breaking space,  , at the end. Personally, I didn't mind the bullet format, but whatever works for me. I'll throw it in there as a temp fix until the rest are re-written. -- Ned Scott 06:51, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't get how that happened, as I did the exactly what you did and it didn't make any change, but anyway I'm glad it's fixed though ^_^. Thank you both ^_^. Right now I'm in the process of making the leads a bit longer, but I'll try to work on the OR stuff later on ^_^. AjaaniSherisu (talk) 07:37, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Lack of References and Sources

I was just wondering, since we have a "lack of reference and sources" tag, what exactly needs referencing? I'd be glad to find some sources ^_^. AjaaniSherisu (talk) 04:38, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Right now, the air dates. When the rest of the stuff that's missing is added, it needs sourcing too. Of course, right now its biggest issue is the hideous format and the need to redo the whole thing. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 05:36, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Added a reference for the episode air dates ^_^. I agree we should get rid of the list style format, but what do you mean exactly by redo the whole thing?

I was wondering though if there has been any thought about deleting "List of Cardcaptor Sakura episodes". It offers no real information outside of the episode name, card and the DVD releases (of which the DVD releases could be added to the media section of the main page). It appears to be nothing more than a quick summary of all the 3 season pages. AjaaniSherisu (talk) 07:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely not. It is an appropriate page. Right now it sucks because these three episode pages all suck as well. Unless/until someone fixes them, they will all continue to suck but that's no reason to get rid of an appropriate page. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 08:00, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

How and why is it an appropriate page? It's a watered down version of these 3 episode articles with a few things that could be added to the Media section of the main page. The other page isn't even supposed to exist in the first place so it doesn't matter why that one isn't perfect, that one shouldn't of been created, but rather this one should be fixed instead. You don't create similar pages just because the original page isn't perfect, you fix them. I see by the lack of any tags on the Tokyo Mew Mew article that it is safe enough for you to help fix this one as you said you would do had you not been working on that one. By fixing though, I don't mean reverting only, but by actually removing faulty information and adding new information that you feel will help better the articles. Thank you very much ^_^. AjaaniSherisu (talk) 05:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

See any other multi season episode list. There is always a central list. This one needs fixing, but that isn't a reason to dump it. See List of Lost episodes, List of Naruto episodes, List of Dragon Ball episodes, etc etc etc. CCS is long enough to be able to justify splitting it into its three season pages, hence there being individual pages for the summaries, with a central overview list. All four are supposed to exist and are appropriate. The real major issue with the three season lists are the complete lack of REAL episode summaries. Instead, we have some seriously non-neutral commentaries that violate WP:NPOV and WP:OR. They need to be stripped out all together and real summaries put in. I'll do the basic formatting for all three now, including removing the non-summaries, but I'm sure someone will complain and revert.-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 06:06, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I have now cleaned up all three season episodes and fixed the main episode list to properly transclude those lists. All four lists needs much better leads and referencing. The individual season lists need real episode summaries added, and seasons 2 & 3 are missing the Japanese episode names. But it gets us back to a good clean slate, presuming no one reverts it all. I don't have time right now to rewatch the series to write up new episode summaries, but hopefully with it now prepped to accept them, folks will start putting them in.-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 06:50, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Randomly noticing these edits on my bloated watchlist, I just wanted to say good job to everyone working on this. It's nice to see the articles for such a good show really shaping up. -- Ned Scott 06:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, ok. I see what you mean now ^_^. Thank you for fixing the pages and I'll get to work on the Japanese episode names ^_^. I would like to ask you though as to why you changed the colour of the table. I'm not asking to change it, but it just peaked my curiosity as to why, hehehe ^_^. You stated that it was the standard colour when there is no standard colour, at least not according to all the other episode guides which use a variety of different colours for different seasons. AjaaniSherisu (talk) 08:03, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Most of our episode lists use the default color. If someone wants to pick out three different colors to use for the different seasons, that would be fine too...though hopefully not that bright pink :P -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 13:31, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh AjaaniSherisu (talk) 07:44, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk pages

Would there be any objection to "merging" the four episode talk pages to Talk:List of Cardcaptor Sakura episodes to keep discussions centralized? Slightly radical idea compared to most, but it makes sense to me to just have one talk for the four episode lists when its primarily the same lists, with different wrappings. Thoughts? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 13:36, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I see no objection towards it so long as we can make sure that people don't neglect to mention which article they are discussing about ^_^. AjaaniSherisu (talk) 07:44, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

From List of Cardcaptor Sakura episodes (season 3)

Formatting and credit

This is the first of the episode articles that I'll be creating. I'm letting this one sit for a while for anyone to ask questions or offer suggestions before I work through the code for the other articles. (Also I have work tomorrow, so I just don't have the time, heh.) What I'm concerned most about is the name of the article. Aside from Sakura Card Arc: 60-70, the others will be Clow Card Arc: xx-xx. And then the two movies will get their own article I suppose. --Crisu 23:57, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

These are predominantly the writings of Peacewish, which have been put into Wiki-format by me. Her novelized episode summaries for CCS can be found here, but, at request, she has written more concise summaries in a more encyclopedic style to be ported here on Wikipedia.

The screenshots I'm using are courtesy of Rebmastu, who owns all the CCS DVDs and is willing to provide some raw screenshots for Wikipedia. (And of course, the CCS content itself is copyright CLAMP and Madhouse.)

--Crisu 21:00, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Warning tags

Please don't place tags without first beginning a discussion about the dispute on this page. If you have issues with the quality standard of this article, mention it here, and I'll take action. Don't deface the article with a tag without taking some more initiative in correcting the problem. --Crisu 02:16, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

This topic is already covered under List of Cardcaptor Sakura episodes. Plus the article is noticeably missing airdates leaving a nice big gap for each table. Information is vague at best as you jump scenes which in some areas gives little detail. Basically it feels more like a trivia guide then an actual episode guide.

U-Two 00:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

The key plot points and revelations listed for each episode are meant to highlight significant plot points as regarding the entire series - not the significant plot points for each episode. It's easy enough to mark when a Card first appears, how it wreaks havoc, etc... but these are just actions relevant to the specific episode. I wanted to highlight the developments that are significant to the entire plot arc, especially since many of them (particularly the earliest ones) are never noticed by viewers. So no, it's not meant to be an episode guide. It's meant to a story guide.

-- Peacewish 11:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

That's good enough for me. I reverse my decision.

U-Two 23:17, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Spoilers in Episode Guide

Although, yes, this may be important to someone who has seen the entire series already (or enough of it), the statement, "The long slow descent of Yukito's deteriorating health begins, starting innocently enough with a simple yawn," seems unnecessary. I came along this guide trying to figure out a part of the plot that wasn't explained in-depth by a certain point, wondering if I just missed something, and came along this.

The statement sort of spoils Yukito's fate, with a sign that isn't very obvious (a simple yawn). I understand that this is more of an overall guide than anything, but the statement seems to be doing more harm than good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.29.24.186 (talk) 07:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a spoiler free zone. All episode summaries will include the major points of the episodes, including important twists and all. However, in this case I agree with the removal, not because it is a spoiler, but because it is an interpretive statement based on knowledge of future episodes rather than a straight telling of the plot. Alas, most of these summaries need rewritten for many of the same reasons. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 07:08, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

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