Talk:Lax Kwʼalaams

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Lax Kw'alaams, usually called Port Simpson.... is the clincher. Wikipedia article name-standards call for the most common usage, NOT the most politically/culturally-correct one, for placename articles. True, there are many articles/situations where side-by-side places have separate articles and names - D'Arcy/Nequatque, Alert Bay/'Yalis, North Vancouver//Xwemelcthsn/Esla7an, Squamish/Sta7mes etc. If that's the case here, and there's a distinction between non-native Port Simpson and the native community that goes by Lax Kw'alaams, then the solution is easy enough: two articles. If it's instead a question of trying to make Lax Kw'alaams the "most common usage, i.e. an effort to supplant the "white name", as has been the case with the Queen Charlotte Islands/Haida Gwaii "name war", then it's a different matter. See WP:Name and the relevant naming of Canadian settlements guidelines. Wikipedia is not supposed to impose name-change campaigns, but to reflect existing reality; its job is not to make reality, but serve as a mirror to it. The further complication here is that Fort Simpson (Columbia Department), which is the HBC precursor to Port Simpson, has a history of its own and is barely represented here; what is here instead is an ethnographic article on the clans and social structure of the Tsimshian groups that settled/were relocated here. Note also my removal of the regional district category, pretty much for that reason; a Port Simpson, British Columbia article, on the other hand, could have a regional district category if it's also a member community of the Regional District and not a reserve only (reserves are not governed by, and do not vote within, regional districts). What I think is best here is to split Lax Kw'alaams off as a Category:Tsimshian settlements article, and to create that category, and to make the Port Simpson redirect its own article, as there's a cannery history here, and non-native history, independent of the indigenous content, though interlinked with it of course; and it can be in the RD cat. The HBC fort, which also formerly was near the mouth of the Nass, is going to be a fairly in-depth article of its own, once written, so 'three articles may result. the title of this has bothered me for a while; Kamloops is not titled T'Kumlups, Sooke is not titled T'zouke...other situations like this are around - Bella Bella/Waglisla comes to midn. But if this is to remain one article, it not only needs its fare share of non-indigenous content/history, not jsut a native focus, and it should have t he most common and official name for its title, not the "indigenously-correct" one. I'd wager that if you asked a Port Simpson resident where they lived, they'd also say Port Simpson, and not Lax Kw'alaams.....Skookum1 (talk) 14:46, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See BCGNIS external link. The name of the town has been officially changed to Lax Kw'alaams. Looks like calling it Port Simpson now is like calling Mumbai Bombay. Common yes, official no. --KenWalker | Talk 08:18, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Plfy solved this a while ago by creating Fort Simpson (Columbia Department), at least as far as needing to embrace that name given its historical profile goes.....the article here, though, needs to be about something more than the clan-history; i.e. just because it has a native name now doesn't mean it doesn't still ahve a "white history". A lot of the clan/tribe information should go to respective pages on the Six (Seven?) Tribes....more later, I just got up and my coffee just finished brewing....Skookum1 (talk) 12:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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