Talk:LGBTQ topics in Chile

Assessment

Whenever a section is included and a main article exists, the section should include a summary of the main article. To improve this article and to follow guidelines, a summary of the main article LGBT history in Chile needs to be included for the section History. See WP:SUMMARY for editing guidelines. The article does have some other areas needing improvement according to the peer reviewer - see [1] for suggestions.

The article lacks a lede section. The lede summarizes the key points of the sections of the article. For an example of a lede see: LGBT in New Zealand. Some articles such as LGBT in Mexico do not have lede sections although they should. LGBT in Islam is a good example of a B class article and may be a good reference.

An infobox, if one is appropriate, could be included in the article, although including one is optional. I haven't found an appropriate infobox, so this may be moot. An image is needed for the lede section or if an infobox is included in the infobox. The image in the section LGBT rights could be moved up.

Thank you for all the hard work you have thus far completed on this article, I have assessed the article to C class. Cheers Gmcbjames (talk) 18:41, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

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Requested move 24 November 2024

• LGBTQ topics in Chile → LGBTQ people in Chile (Proposed move changed Nov 24, after some responses below were given.)
• LGBTQ in Chile → LGBTQ in Chile (disambiguation)

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1. For the current page (LGBTQ topics in Chile), there are two pages we can move: LGBTQ people in Chile, consistent with Talk:LGBTQ people in Mexico#Merge proposal, or LGBTQ in Chile, which is a mix of WP:CONSUB and WP:STATUSQUO.
2. I'm also asking to retarget either (see exclusive or) LGBT in Chile to LGBTQ in Chile (dab), if this page is kept to keep it consistent, or LGBTQ in Chile to the current page, per WP:STATUSQUO, WP:BROAD, and consistency, if this page is moved.

• Context: Lewisguile moved this page (formerly LGBT in Chile under WP:CONSUB reasoning, however LGBT page was never moved to LGBTQ topics, just LGBTQ. 10 days later I created LGBT in Chile (disambiguation) and moved it to LGBTQ in Chile (disambiguation) to leave that as a redirect, however LGBTQ in Chile didn't exist and it was moved per WP:MALPLACED dab in a clean up edit. Then I asked a speedy rename (I should have specified WP:UNDOMOVE but for me it was pretty clear and simple that there was inconsistency) which turned into a RM.
• Comments: However, just as noted in Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 26#LGBT in Mexico (see also the USA section there) and constantly argued by Raladic in all recent RMs, this issue should be talked about in WT:LGBTQ+, but I beg it different, each place ("Foos" in wiki jargon) should be treated differently. Examples: Poland and Israel AfDs resulted in redirect to the "LGBT history in Foo", while California AfD resulted in redirect to "LGBTQ rights in Foo" (see also WP:2DABS). Not every 'culture' or 'rights' article is structurally substantial enough when compared to an 'history' article for example, and vis-à-vis. Using LGBTQ as a noun is also debatable, similarly Category:Transgender was recently moved to Category:Transgender topics because of this. There's also an ongoing RM: Talk:LGBT history in Georgia#Proposed merge of LGBT rights in Georgia into LGBT history in Georgia and Talk:LGBTQ topics in Singaporean literature#Requested move 24 November 2024. And there are more undiscussed articles: LGBTQ in Guatemala and LGBTQ in Puerto Rico. Whether they are grammatically correct or not, they are obviously ambiguous and that's why a DAB is justified. However, if the BROAD article lists all the DAB already lists, then could a merge be made? I guess it would depend of the WP:SIZE or its navigationability. An RfC can be opened, but I think this discussion deserves a closer look. --MikutoH ^talk! 04:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Note: Wiki Loves Pride, WikiProject Chile, and WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies have been notified of this discussion. --MikutoH ^talk! 04:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

• Sorry for contributing to any chaos or confusion here! Personally, I prefer LGBTQ topics in Chile as LGBTQ in Chile seems grammatically incorrect and potentially confusing. But that was probably obvious from my initial move. If there's consensus to change this to LGBTQ in Chile, I would've just reverted my edit for this to happen speedily, as I didn't expect any controversy. But I guess it doesn't matter now. Lewisguile (talk) 09:11, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Lewisguile: do you oppose the other suggestion too? I can change the proposal to it if you prefer (I guess others would prefer it too). --MikutoH ^talk! 01:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  I'm neutral on the second suggested change for the disambiguation page. If we keep the current page as is and the DAB becomes LGBTQ in Chile, then it doesn't even need (disambiguation) after it, since no other page with the same title would exist. Thanks for checking! Lewisguile (talk) 11:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - I agree with @Lewisguile that the current title here for the WP:BROADCONCEPT article seems appropriately placed where it already is at LGBTQ topics in Chile. The other articles may be more precise as they are not as broad as this article here is, which is why a redirect there to a broad-like article was appropriate. I think any BROADCONCEPT article of these should be "LGBTQ topics in X" with potential links to "LGBTQ history in X" and "LGBTQ rights in X" and "LGBTQ people in X" depending on the content of the respective articles for the country. some may have enough content for all 3, some may not and only have some, but not others. This was also my point that I raised in one of the other discussions, that addressing such a proposal should be done centrally at WT:LGBTQ+ as an RfC, rather than continue this piece by piece different treatment for different countries in AfDs or RMs or RfDs. Raladic (talk) 19:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support renaming LGBTQ topics in Chile to LGBTQ people in Chile. This is consistent with LGBTQ people in Mexico, LGBTQ people in Canada, LGBTQ people in the United States, and others. LGBTQ history is the history of LGBTQ people and LGBTQ rights are the rights of LGBTQ people, so LGBTQ people is the appropiate name for the broad concept article. Also support redirecting LGBTQ in Chile to this article. A DAB isn't actually necessary when there is a broad concept article.--Trystan (talk) 03:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

"LGBT in Chile" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect LGBT in Chile has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 25 § LGBT in Chile until a consensus is reached. --MikutoH ^talk! 03:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)