Talk:Kara Mahmud Pasha

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Kara Mahmud Pasha's war with Montenegro.

I think we should add a segment of the article which talks about Kara Mahmud Pasha's war in Montenegro. It had major historical consequences for the history of Albania and Montenegro and in this war he was killed. Petarrc13 (talk) 14:11, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Crnojevic theory

Kara Mahmud aimed to expand northward into the former territories of Ivan Crnojević from the Middle Ages. To legitimize and bolster his claim, he proposed that he was descended from Skenderbeg Crnojević.

However, this lineage is highly improbable, at least paternally. The Bushati family originated from the Bushati tribe in the Zadrima region, while the Crnojević family came from Zeta.

Genetic evidence further supports this distinction:

- The Bushati family carries the genetic marker E-V13>FT232287 (https://rrenjet.com/prejardhja-gjenetike-e-familjeve-fisnike-dhe-feudale-shqiptare/)

- The Crnojević family carries the genetic marker E-V13>A18844 (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Arcadia/default.aspx?section=yresults) GermanManFromFrankfurt (talk) 19:14, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whereabouts of Remains

There's a website that claims that Kara Mahmud's skull is kept in the Cetinje Monastery, near the grave of Ivan Crnojević. It claims that it was placed there by St. Peter of Cetinje who "forbade anyone to defile it". Is there any way to corroborate this claim, other than going there directly?

https://orthochristian.com/68797.html

ArdenDem (talk) 18:11, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]