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Reviewer: Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk · contribs) 20:09, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I'll take this one. If you have any queries about why I've done/said something please do say!

  • All images seem tagged correctly
  • An other people link to John Rolph would be appropriate at the top
    • Done
  • Duplicate links:
      • minus Removed

Lead

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  • Link reform faction to Reform movement (Upper Canada)
    •  Done
  • Link Parliament of the Province of Canada to Parliament of the Province of Canada
    •  Done
  • Link City of Toronto/Toronto to Toronto
    •  Done
  • In reading the lead before any other part, the connection between the executive council resigning and Rolph helping to plan the rebellion is not clear, if there even is meant to be a link. Could the connection between the two events be emphasised further in the lead or if necessary a separate reason for Rolph's involvement in the rebellion be given?
    • I moved the executive council sentence to the previous paragraph to avoid linking the two events. I added information that Mackenzie convinced Rolph to support the rebellion, in exchange for Rolph becoming president of the new state. Z1720 (talk) 00:11, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link Legislative Assembly of the Province of Canada to Legislative Assembly of Upper Canada
  • The lead states that Rolph represented Middlesex County in the Parliament of Upper Canada while the infobox states that he represented the county in the Legislative Assembly of Upper Canada
    • In 1824, Rolph was elected to the Legislative Assembly of Upper Canada to represent Middlesex. When he was elected in 1836, the constituency boundaries changed and the constituency was called Norfolk, and he was elected to the Legislative Assembly of Upper Canada. In 1841, the colony of Upper Canada merged with Lower Canada to create the Province of Canada, so when Rolph was elected in his old constituency of Norfolk, he was elected to the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Canada. Z1720 (talk) 00:11, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The number of children in the infobox needs citing as the information doesn't appear elsewhere
    • This is in the body as, "In 1834, he married Grace Haines; they would have three sons and a daughter." and cited to two sources.

Early life and education

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  • Link first mention of Thornbury at beginning of first paragraph to Thornbury, Gloucestershire
    •  Done
  • "He was baptised at Seyntemaryes parish church" - could the location ofthe church be given? As it is the name alone isn't very useful
  • First mentions of New York and Upper Canada (beginning of second paragraph) need links
  • Link prisoner of war camp to Prisoner-of-war camp
    •  Done
  • "After the Battle of Queenston Heights, American forces released him in a prisoner exchange" - could you provide a date for his exchange/arrival in Canada?
  • Link Port Talbot to Port Talbot, Ontario at first mention at end of second paragraph
    •  Done
  • "Rolph was paymaster for the 2nd Norfolk militia" > "Rolph became paymaster for the 2nd Norfolk Militia"
    •  Done
  • Link militia to either militia or Canadian Militia
  • "The deputy inspector of accounts" - for clarification is this a member of the regiment or some kind of government official?
    • Clarified in the article.
  • Link spinster in third paragraph
    •  Done
  • Link called to the bar at beginning of fifth paragraph to Call to the bar
    •  Done
  • "He would make frequent visits to York" - is this the same as the aforementioned New York or a separate York? Needs clarifying
  • A few words explaining who exactly the three men Rolph went to York to converse with were would be useful
    •  Done

Reform politician

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  • Link Middlesex County to Middlesex County, Ontario at beginning of first paragraph
    •  Done
  • Link deeds to Deed at beginning of first paragraph
    •  Done
  • "Lieutenant governor" in the last paragraph needs linking to either the man or the position if possible
  • "Conservatives" is used in paragraph two and "Tory politicians" used in paragraph three. Recommend only one version is used throughout.
  • "He decided not to run in the 1830 Upper Canada election" - this seems like quite a big decision, do we know his reasoning?

Return to medicine

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Municipal politics

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  • The lead states that he "examined the feasibility of creating the City of Toronto" while in this section it is described as "appointed to a committee to examine the incorporation of York into the city of Toronto" which sounds as if the city already existed, needs clarification one way or the other
  • First mention of aldermen on second line needs linking to Alderman
    •  Done
  • "He ran to be Toronto's first mayor, but the city's aldermen chose William Lyon Mackenzie" - is it possible to provide a particular reason for his defeat?
    • Added reasoning from the source.
  • Another Cholera outbreak! As previous, could it be noted whether either of these were part of the 1826–1837 cholera pandemic?

Return to Provincial politics

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  • Perhaps introduce briefly who Bond Head was at the beginning
    • Outlined his job title.
  • Why was Rolph chosen as Baldwin's replacement - was it because of their similar leanings? Might be worth elaborating on the choice
  • "This led the public to believe council supported" > "This led the public to believe the council supported"
  • Were any of Bond Head's unilateral decisions particularly noteworthy or was it a build up of small annoyances and changes as the text currently suggests?
    • None of them are noteworthy for Rolph's biography because Bond Head did reject or oppose a policy that Rolph championed (mostly because Rolph wasn't on the council long enough to propose his own policy agenda.)
  • The beginning of the last paragraph needs adjusting to highlight that the tactics Rolph was objecting to were Bond Head's
    •  Done

Upper Canada Rebellion

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  • Were the aims of the Lower and Upper Canadian rebellions the same? A small section explaining what exactly their largescale goals were would be useful
  • Why is it important that the support of Thomas David Morrison be noted?
    • Upon reflection, it might not be necessary to mention here, so I removed it.
  • What was the provenance of Anthony Van Egmond? His wikipedia page suggests he was Dutch.
  • Where was "Montgomery's Tavern"?
    • North of Toronto, clarified in the article.
  • "After learning that the Lower Canada Rebellion failed" > "After learning that the Lower Canada Rebellion had failed"
    •  Done
  • "and dispersed the men he gathered in Toronto" > "and dispersed the men he had gathered"; repeating Toronto here again seems superfluous
    •  Done
  • Could an explanation be given as to why Rolph felt he had to flee to the United States upon Morrison's arrest?
    • Adding info that he was scared he was also going to be arrested.
  • One assumes his expulsion from the legislature was in absentia and more of a formality than anything else? Worth emphasising

Years in the US

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  • Who is Thomas Jefferson Sutherland?
  • The nature of Van Rensselaer's invasion needs to be explained; was it a largescale attack that could have made considerable gains, etc?
  • Who are these Patriot troops and where do they come from?
  • "He continued his medical school in Rochester" - this sounds like the Rochester school had already been particularly mentioned but I don't believe it has been in as many words

Return to Canada

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  • Link "King's College in Toronto" to University of Toronto
    •  Done
  • Make the beginning of the second paragraph clearer that they succeeded in dismissing Tefler
    •  Done
  • "This created conflict between Rolph and Park" - is the conflict between Rolph and Park or between Rolph and Park, and the board/council?
  • Legislative Assembly of the Province of Canada is linked for the first time here, which doesn't seem correct
    • While Rolph was in the United States, the colonies of Upper Canada and Lower Canada merged to become the Province of Canada, and their legislative assemblies merged to create the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Canada. I changed the wikilink to clarify this. Z1720 (talk) 18:37, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He gave the administrative tasks of running his medical school to Dr. W. T. Aikens" - who was Aikens? If the point is that Rolph delegated some control of his school upon his return to politics then this can be done without introducing a seemingly unnecessary extra name
  • A few words pointing out who exactly Hincks and Boulton were would be useful in the second paragraph
  • Are HJ Boulton and WJ Boulton connected?
  • "who opposed reformer policies" - should "reformer" be capitalised here?
  • The last sentence of the Return to politics section seems redundant, his opposition to parliament at this time has already been established
    • minus Removed
  • Is "the defeat of the Hincks government" the same event as " Allan MacNab and Augustin-Norbert Morin formed a coalition government"? If so that could be made clearer through some rephrasing

Philosophy and views

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  • Some of Political philosophy seems more appropriate in the main text. His part in the moderate group could certainly be alluded to at the first introduction of his part in the Reform faction, and the explanation of Rolph's reasons for joining the rebellion deserve to go in the section describing that event. All but the Cooper and Hobhouse sections seem to be repeats and embellishments of previously established points in the text, and these points such as his leading of the Clear Grit party should be moved there, for example.

Legacy

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  • Who is John King?
    • Son-in-law of Mackenzie, mentioned as "Mackenzie's sons-in-law Charles Lindsey and John King"

References look good.

That's all I have for now, feel free to make comments or explain if I've misunderstood anything in my critique! Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:23, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy with all your corrections. I've made some minor edits of my own to wording and spelling errors which I hope you won't disagree with (I see you've changed the Tory wikilink before I managed to get my edit summary finished here - thank you!). A few queries remain:
  • Rochester needs a link and/or directions, I've no idea where it is!
  • Linked
  • Morrison is named as a 'fellow Reform leader' in the lead but not introduced as such in the main text
  • 'Monroe County' in Monroe County Medical Society needs linking
  •  Done
Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 14:07, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Pickersgill-Cunliffe: comments above. Z1720 (talk) 16:50, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed one final duplicated link and am happy to pass this article. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 16:56, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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