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Removing of Asbury
[edit]I have removed the Asbury Heading. First, the sources are no longer relevant and the information is not supportable. Plus, it is editorializing on actual news. I don't believe that it is a practical submission for this page. Livin4dios (talk) 04:10, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
- Please read WP:DEADREF. I quote:
This isn't an editorial but a well referenced section. Online references are not required for Wikipedia; you may go to the library and look up all the sources used. Accordingly, I reverted your deletion. Thoughts? ∴ Therefore | talk 01:08, 26 March 2008 (UTC)When a link in the References section or Notes section "goes dead" (see link rot), it should be repaired or replaced if possible, but the citation need not be deleted.
- Please read WP:DEADREF. I quote:
- Let me add: the articles are, in truth, on-line, but as do many newspapers, they charge for archived materials. ∴ Therefore | talk 01:15, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- First, I will quote the following from that same article.
If none of those strategies succeed, or the newly found site is considered unreliable, the cited material and citation should be removed if the material is contentious or concerns a living person.
- 1. This concerns a living person, thus I am treating this as carefully as I can. 2. The original submission was changed on March 21 with the addition: "because he felt like he could not continue to be on a board that required him to be less than truthful with regulatory agencies." Since you can't support that this came from Holsinger, and the sources are dead, and it IS editorializing, I am reverting your save. He did resign from the board, but I do not see any proof that the board to sought to remove him. Also, I do not see how the addition made by someone OTHER then you is helpful or supported. If you fix these two problems, then I might agree about its inclusion into the piece. Your thoughts? Livin4dios (talk) 04:14, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- The strategy from WP:DEADLINK that holds here is as follows:
I will remove the "convenience link" -- this *is* material that appeared in print and does support the statement that the board attempted to remove Holsinger over claimed COI issues.If the link was merely a "convenience link" to an online copy of material that originally appeared in print, and an appropriate substitute cannot be found, remove the link but keep the citation.
If you would like to revert the March 21st addition, I would support that. I don't have the reference handy but memory serves that he did respond in that manner.Edit: See below where I found the online article that does support this statment. I rewrote the addition so that it was clear that this was Holsinger's position vs. an editorial comment. The addition provides balance to the section.But, again, revert that portion if you likebut the other is assuredly supported by printed sources. Wikipedia doesn't (and shouldn't) demand on-line citations. Thoughts? Let's discuss before you revert again. Thanks! ∴ Therefore | talk 05:15, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
- The strategy from WP:DEADLINK that holds here is as follows:
- If you would like to purchase the article, go here: [1] Here is a selected portion from this link:
∴ Therefore | talk 05:34, 27 March 2008 (UTC)2. Holsinger quits Asbury board Surgeon General Nominee Faced Removal -- Associated Press -- LOUISVILLE -- A Kentucky doctor nominated by President Bush to be U.S. surgeon general has resigned as a board member of Asbury Theological Seminary. James Holsinger, who still awaits Senate confirmation for the surgeon general post, had been under fire from fellow trustees of the school because of a perceived conflict of interest. He also is a member of the Association of Theological Schools. The board had initiated formal procedures to remove Holsinger, who insists there is no conflict.... Published on 2007-11-16, Page B1, Lexington Herald-Leader (KY)
- If you would like to purchase the article, go here: [1] Here is a selected portion from this link:
- And here [2] and [3] is a quote from the The Courier-Journal article:
The printed sources support the statements in the section. This quote also supports the March 21st addition (as rewritten for a neutral tone). ∴ Therefore | talk 05:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)James Holsinger, the nominee for U.S. surgeon general, has resigned from the board of trustees of Asbury Theological Seminary after its board started formal procedures to remove him. Holsinger said he was targeted by fellow board members after he told investigators from a private agency reviewing the seminary's accreditation status that the board hadn't always followed its own policies. "I can no longer serve with integrity on a board which is led by individuals who appear to expect board members to be in any fashion less than fully truthful while providing their opinion to an accreditation visiting team or otherwise," he wrote in his letter of resignation. It is the latest development in more than a year of controversy at the evangelical seminary in Wilmore, Ky., after President Jeff Greenway resigned in October 2006.
- And here [2] and [3] is a quote from the The Courier-Journal article:
- Here (yay) is the full Courier-Journal article: [4] -- I will be adding it to the Holsinger page as a convenience link. ∴ Therefore | talk 05:59, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Resign vs. completion
[edit]Hi Maryrebecca. I'm happy with your modification because it isn't central to the article. Just wanted to point out that the source (and there was a subsequent one) that used the term "resigned" and made no mention of the completion of his term. It would be perfect (but no biggie) if you could find a source that make that distinction. Again, nbd. Thanks! ∴ Therefore | talk 21:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- The UMNS article currently sourced says: "Dr. James Holsinger, a physician from Kentucky who has served as Judicial Council president for 2004-2008, and Rudolfo Beltran, an attorney from the Philippines, are retiring." That is why I changed it to completion of term and added the president bit. If you would rather use the word retired, that is fine with me. The United Methodist Church's wiki page states that each term is 8 years. If he started in 2000, doesn't that mean that he completed his term?
- I have some more information for his religion section that I found on a newly posted 2008 CV at the University. I am really busy with school right now but I will try to get it posted on the discussion page sometime this week. --Maryrebecca (talk) 13:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
- No, Maryrebecca, I have no problem with your edits. I was just being a stickler on the use of "retired". I really shouldn't have made an issue out of it -- sorry! Thanks. ∴ Therefore | talk 17:00, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Appointment to Fitness Council
[edit]Do you think that this new appointment is worth mentioning on the page?
http://www.kentucky.com/179/story/648677.html
--Maryrebecca (talk) 15:54, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Done As usual, you are one step ahead of me. Hope all is well in Lexington! I miss it. :) ∴ Therefore cogito·sum 17:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Assessment comment
[edit]The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:James W. Holsinger/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
I started James W. Holsinger, but have neither the time nor the expertise to get the article going beyond the stub you see. I hope my use of the bio-rating was appropriate. I feel, as Holsinger may be the next Surgeon General of the United States, it is of a high priority to get a wikipedia biography up and running before the confirmation hearings begin. --SVTCobra 01:50, 26 May 2007 (UTC) |
Last edited at 01:50, 26 May 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 19:29, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
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