Talk:History of rugby union matches between France and New Zealand

History of rugby union matches between France and New Zealand has been listed as one of the Social sciences and society good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
September 24, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed
October 26, 2007	WikiProject peer review	Reviewed
February 3, 2008	Featured article candidate	Not promoted
August 9, 2008	Featured article candidate	Not promoted
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on August 10, 2007. The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that the largest score and winning margin between the All Blacks and France at rugby union* was a 61–10 victory by the All Blacks at Westpac Stadium in 2007?*
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citations

I've been looking at this article and under the references I see three references that puzzle me. "Potter", "Polenski" and "Dine". The way they're listed it leads me to think these are books, if they are books you really should use the template:cite book method of referencing, it'll be more useful to non rugby fans like myself. Just a friendly suggestion. MPJ-DK 22:20, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They are listed in the bibliography section, which is under references. {{cite book}} was used, but not for the inline citations. I'll move the bibliography above references to avoid people not seeing it. - Shudde ^talk 22:30, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yup I didn't see that either, good move MPJ-DK 06:02, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Title, comments

Does the title really need to include "at rugby union"? What other sport do the All Blacks play? Some other thoughts:

The intro is a little dry - just a list of victories. Can it be made more interesting? For instance, the fact that France toured New Zealand before the home nations team (or was that just in 1961?) is a better thing to put in the intro than lists of scores - it helps answer the question of why the article exists.
The history section needs to be broken into subsections to improve readability
The entire See Also section can be removed as everything listed there is already mentioned and wikilinked in the article beforehand
Many of the categories are overreaching - this article is not an article about an Oceania rugby union team (the main article on the All Blacks would be) but it does belong in the All Blacks and Rugby union in France categories.

--Kharker 23:22, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The title is just to stay consistent with other articles, but I've named it All Blacks because the main article is All Blacks and not New Zealand national rugby union team - unlike other national team articles. It's basically an exception to the rule. The history section prob can be split up. The other things I'll deal with, but are prob minor. Are you doing a GAC review? - Shudde ^talk 00:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd also like to add that the introduction is very dry. Whilst many of the dates are important milestones, I found it to be quite boring and felt it didn't really 'sum up' the French-NZ rugby relationship. kabl00ey 09:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have requested a copy-edit at a couple of places. Hopefully this can help with the prose. :-) - Shudde ^talk 21:31, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Assessment

Broadness: Pass
Images: Pass
Factually accurate: Pass
Stability: Pass
Well-written: Pass
Neutral: Pass

Good job. I'm sorry it took over 30 days to review this. At first glance and full reading, it looks good, so I'll pass this article.Mitch32^contribs

Thanks. - Shudde ^talk 00:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Featured Article nominee

I have nominated this article for Featured article status. You can add any comments here. Thanks. - Shudde ^talk 10:18, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of points rising out of the copy-edit-in-progress. The full citation system makes the text very difficult to edit. Would you consider switching to the short cite/full ref system used at, for example, Hamlet? Another thing is that headlines in CAPS in the citation need converting to Title Case. --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 09:35, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have no problem with the citation system being changed. Whatever is easiest for editors is fine by me. I can go through and change all those headlines. - Shudde ^talk 04:06, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cool :) --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 06:09, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've done the headlines and some of the citations (more later).--ROGER DAVIES ^talk 07:36, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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