Talk:Hans F. K. Günther

Question

Was Hans F.K. Günther a member of the NSDAP?!

Yes, he joined in 1932 I think. Paul B 12:45, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Gunther did not view Nordics as superior?

Gunther does not claim that the Nordic race is the highest:

"Often repeated the same error: Nordic race praised as "superior", "most noble" as almost the sole creator of civilization on Earth. All this just screams market shill. For Asian or African civilizations of our time Nordic admixture (or any other alien) of blood will be "defective" as the value of the race always known only in relation to a particular civilization, and Nordic blood for African or Asian civilizations will corrupting factor."--Windows66 (talk) 12:59, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Are you referring to any reliable sources? What are reliable sources about the life and work of this person? -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 17:16, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

I just cut out this section

and am moving it here. The reference given for the whole paragraph is a history of maps, with no pages given. I would surprised if all of this paragraph could be found in a "history of maps." I well being proven wrong.

===Complexity of demarcations and their role in the Holocaust===

Gunther himself freely admitted, as he also showed on his maps, that the distinctions between different racial subtypes were blurry and complicated. He did, however, turn that into an argument for the alleged necessity of drawing arbitrary racial demarcations somewhere. Certain authors of works related to history argue that this carte blanche for power to draw arbitrary lines made him more appealing in the eyes of Nazi leaders than more radical Nordicists who believed in naturally absolute pure races that would have given the leaders less power to write racial policies at Hitler's will. There are historians who argue that the resulting arbitrary lines made Nazi racial biology immune to the individual differences that blurs the concept of race, allowing for a very efficient division of people into those who were supposed to live and those who were supposed to be killed, and thus contributing to the Holocaust becoming a significantly worse genocide than a more radical Nordicism could have done, as the latter would have stumbled on individual differences between humans. These historians often warn for the dangers of "it is complicated" arguments being used to claim arbitrary limits to be necessary.
Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 03:02, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

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Confusing book title translation

Hi,
HG wrote a book called "Gattenwahl" in German, here called "Husband's Choice".
The proper translation is something like "Mate selection", except the grammar restricts it to choosing a man, and semantics to a wedded partner, i.e. husband. So, "Selecting a husband" or "How to select a husband", which is exactly not a husband's choice, but the choosing of a husband. Not a native speaker, so I leave the proper translation to someone else. T 88.89.217.49 (talk) 21:42, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Changed it now. T 88.89.217.49 (talk) 20:50, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

"How to choose a husband" sounds like it is a self-help guide, and it would be strange for Günther to aim it at women. I think "Selective mating" is a more appropriate translation of Gattenwahl in this case. But the full title is Gattenwahl zu ehelichem Glück und erblicher Ertüchtigung, though this appears to have been published in 1941, not 1951. I may just remove it as unsourced and dubious as we should not have to be translating titles and researching publication dates without secondary sources. Hrodvarsson (talk) 22:05, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

It might well have been a self-help guide, or "popular science". Perhaps I over-interpreted the grammar here (m. Gatte/f. Gattin, but pl. Gatten, i.e. both sexes), so I agree that your title is better; I was just trying to improve the misleading one. I guess it was included to show that his career didn't end with the war, and/or that he was unrepentant on eugenics; unless it was just for completeness' sake. Wrt. inclusion or not, I have no opinion, particularly since I don't know anything about the source situation. Whatever improves, go for it. T 88.89.217.49 (talk) 23:49, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Some factoids, just so's I did my homework: The German National Library has one 1951 edition, which, however, is a third reprint:

https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?method=showFullRecord&currentResultId=%22118698923%22%26any&currentPosition=26

The GE Wiki article adds that this was published "under his own name", whatever that may mean. For the rest, as above. T 88.89.217.49 (talk) 00:04, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

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