Talk:Habar Gidir

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Prominent figures

There seems to be anon revert war over Prominent figures. See [1] and [2]. --Electric Eye (talk) 03:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Editor,

Problem exists in this Habar Gedir article. Some clan-oriented guys are adamant to cite just their clan figures. They're denying and even resisting more prominent and brilliant clan figures than their own to be cited here. So could you try to cope with that challenge? Could you add the argument of both sides together? As a matter of fact, if you glance at Habar Gedir heredity, most of heros of this clan belonged to Saleebaan clan, while Sacads were scoundrels.

Mr Godinlabe

Everyone should cite reliable sources for their contributions. Verifiability is a rule in Wikipedia. --Electric Eye (talk) 12:11, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I will note that the title of the section says "Prominent figures" not necesarily "Heroes." If you wish to discuss any particular figure, begin or update a biographical entry on them --04:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Spelling of clan name?

This article and/or this subject has been variously spelled "Habr Gidr", "Habar Gedir", "Habar Gidir", and most recently "HabarGidir". In his edit comment, User:Turdho explained that "HabarGidir" is the Somali language spelling. However, this is the English language Wikipedia, so we need to figure out the correct (or at least the most common) English spelling, and stick with it. I tagged Habar Gidir and HabarGidir with {{Merge}} although at the moment they contain identical text. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 23:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. As always, verifiable references would be more than helpful. -- Gyrofrog (talk)

Redirect HabarGidir to Habar Gidir

I did a redirect to the other page because HabarGidir was starting to fall out of synch. Also redirected the "talk" for HabirGidir to Talk:Habar Gidir --Petercorless 04:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Error

Habar Gedir do not live in Puntland. The document used to support it from the World Bank does not even say so, you can search through the file to confirm.^[1] Here's one from the International Crisis Group which shows that they do not live in those regions.^[2] 26oo (talk) 14:05, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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There's a typo, "ethmology" rather than etymology. 178.120.15.212 (talk) 18:37, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Tollens (talk) 08:26, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Habar Gidir clan are 4.6 million when you combine all the horn census. 2A01:4B00:80D8:6900:4DE4:F07B:B6F4:B62C (talk) 16:19, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:32, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The Habar Gidir (Somali: Habar Gidir, Arabic: هبر جدير) is a major subclan of the Hawiye. The clan has produced many prominent Somali figures, including the first Prime Minister of Somalia Abdullahi Issa Mohamud and Somalia's fifth President Abdiqasim Salad Hassan.[1][2]

== Overview ==
The Habar Gidir are part of the Hiraab. The Hiraab consists of the Mudulood, Habar Gidir and Duduble.[3] The Habar Gidir are also a sub-clan of the Hawiye. This gives the Habar Gidir immediate lineal ties with the other Hawiye sub-clans. The Hawiye descend from Irir Samaale who was one of the sons of Samaale. Due to this the Habar Gidir also have kinship with the Dir (Irir) and the other Samaale clans.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10]
== Etymology ==
The Habar Gidir are a Hiraab sub-clan.[11] The forefather of the clan is Madarkicis and Habar Gidir is the name of their Mother. Madarkicis is part of the Hiraab section of Hawiye. Madarkicis translates to "gathering agitator'' or ''meeting disruptor" in the Somali language.[12][13]
== Distribution ==
The Habar Gidir primarily live in the central regions of Mudug and Galgaduud in Galmudug.[14][15] The clan also lives in Southern Somalia especially in (Matabaan district) and sections of (Mogadishu).[16] The clan also lives in the Somali Region of Ethiopia in particular the areas neighboring Galmudug. In addition to this the Habar Gidir can also be found in the expatriate communities of the Somali diaspora.
== Role and influence in Somalia ==
The Habar Gidir clan has produced many prominent Somali figures. The first Prime Minister of Somalia Abdullahi Issa Mohamud was from this clan, he was Habargidir, Sa'ad, Reer Nima'ale.[1] Somalia's fifth president Abdiqasim Salad Hassan was also a member and hailed form the Habagidir, Ayr, Absiiye.[2] They have also held many other important and high ranking positions in governance with a large variety that includes Minister of Economic Affairs, Minister of Foreign Affairs, head of Somali National Security, chief of staff of the Somali armed forces, defence minister, and many more. The current Prime Minister of Somalia Mohamed Hussein Roble hails from this clan.[17][18][19]

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The Habar Gidir (Somali: Habar Gidir, Arabic: هبر جدير) also known as Madarkicis Hiraab is a major subclan of the [[Hawiye]]. The clan has produced many prominent Somali figures, including the first Prime Minister of Somalia [[Abdullahi Issa]], that essentially brought the Somali nation independence, and Somalia's fifth President [[Abdiqasim Salad Hassan]] who was also an important figure in President Siad Barres government.

== Overview ==
The Habar Gidir are part of the Hiraab clans. The Hiraab consists of the Mudulood, Habar Gidir and Duduble[<sup>3]</sup>. The Habar Gidir are also a sub-clan of the lager Hawiye and are one of the most important sub-clans amongst the Hawiye. This gives the Habar Gidir immediate lineal ties with the other Hawiye sub-clans. The Hawiye descend from Irir Samaale who was one of the sons of Samaale. Due to this the Habar Gidir also have kinship with the Dir (Irir) and the other Samaale clans.<sup>[4][5][6][7][8][9][10]</sup>
 
The Habargidir are one of the largest Somali clan families and inhabit a vast portion of the Somali nation and Somali peninsula at large. The Habargidir mainly reside in the central regions of Somalia, where they predominate, and are frequently associated with the region itself. The Habargidir as a clan breaks into 5 major sub clan families made up of the [[Ayr (clan)]]/[https://so.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cayr%20(beel) Cayr], Sacad/Sa’ad, Saleebaan/Suleman, Saruur, Sifadle(who now come under the Saleebaan) are all descended from Madarki’is (Madarkicis Hiraab) along with the [[Duduble]] who are positioned as the uncles of the former 4 mentioned.

== Etymology of the name HabarGidir ==
The Habar Gidir are a Hiraab sub-clan[https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Habar_Gidir#cite_note-ali_jimale_ahmed-1]. The forefather of the clan is Madarkicis Hiraab and Habar Gidir is the name of their Mother. Madarkicis is part of the Hiraab section of the wider [[Hawiye]]. Madarkicis translates to "gathering causer'' or ''the one who rouses meetings" in the Somali language. The name Habar gidir is derived from Madarkicis' appreciation to Raarey Gidir, who gave birth to two of his sons out of a total of five and nurtured all of his children, including Madarkicis' younger brother, [[Duduble]], whose mother and father died while he was still young. Madarkicis afterwards made the prayer that Raarey Gidir's name surpasses his to convey his thanks for her care and love for his progeny and younger brother, despite the fact that they were not entirely hers.

== Distribution == 
The Habar Gidir primarily live in the central regions of [[Mudug]] and [[Galguduud]] in [[Galmudug]] state of Somalia as well as [[Hiiraan]] region in [[Mataban District]], [[Hirshabelle State|Hirshabelle]] state. The clan also lives in Southern Somalia especially in the regions of [[Lower Shabelle]], [[Lower Jubba]], [[Middle Shabelle]],[[Jowhar]] town and the capital city of Somalia [[Mogadishu]] where they are great stakeholders in the city and are the cities biggest financial and political stakeholders as well as producing the first Mayor of the city post-Independence. 
In addition to this the HabarGidir can also be found in northern Somalia where they have established settlements and are important stakeholders within the region, some of the regions they primarily inhabit in northern Somalia include the regions of [[Sool]] and [[Togdheer]]. 

The clan also lives in the [[Somali Region]] of Ethiopia in particular the areas neighbouring Galmudug state such as the regions of [[Korahe Zone]], [[Shabelle Zone]] and [[Dollo Zone]] but can also be found in sizeable numbers in other parts of the region.  
The Habargidir in general can be found in fair numbers in every Somali city and region and are one of the few Somali clans who are well spread across the peninsula. Finally, the Habargidir can be found in the expatriate communities of the Somali diaspora in great numbers.

== Role and influence in Somalia ==
The Habar Gidir clan has produced many prominent Somali figures in the history of Somalia. The first Prime Minister of Somalia [[Abdullahi Issa]] was from this clan, more specifically  from the Sa'ad, Reer Nima'ale<sup>[1]</sup>. Abdullahi Issa played one of the most important roles if not the most important role in bringing independence for the Somali nation. He stood firm in his beliefs against the occupying Italians and ensured to get them out of the country legally and bring Somalis freedom. 

Somalia's fifth president [[Abdiqasim Salad Hassan]] also hailed form the Habagidir, Ayr, Absiiye<sup>[2]</sup>. The president was elected at a time where Somalia had not seen governance for nearly a decade due to civil war and was elected in the town of [[Arta, Djibouti]] by Somali delegates representing the various Somali clans and factions [[Factions in the Somali Civil War]]. His government faced great challenges despite his will to restore the Somali nation to its great past. He was also a very important figure in president [[Siad Barre]] Regime and held 7 ministerial posts in the span of the regimes rule. 

General [[Mohamed Farrah Aidid]], also from the Habargidir, is regarded as the most influential general in modern Somali political history. Mohmed Farah Aydid was a Major General who was instrumental in the 1977 war against Ethiopia to liberate the unlawfully occupied Somali Region. After other Somali clans failed to overthrow President [[Siad Barre]]'s totalitarian rule, the General played the most essential role in overthrowing the brutal regime. General Aydid was the Chairman and Leader of the [[United Somali Congress]] faction, which ousted Mohamed Siyad Barre and sent him into exile outside of Somalia.

Former Somali Prime Minister [[Mohamed Hussein Roble]] is also from the Habargidir and played an important part in the Somali state building process, ensuring fair elections took place during his premiership to avoid dissatisfied groups in the Somali capital from rebelling. 

The Habargidir have also held many other important and high-ranking positions in governance with a large variety that includes Deputy prime-minister, Minister of Economic Affairs through various governments, Minister of Foreign Affairs a position now associated with the clan, Minister of internal affairs, head of Somali National Security, chief of staff of the Somali armed forces, defence minister, and many more. In addition, the Habargidir have produced various high ranking Major Generals that played an important role in serving the Somali nation. 

The Habargidirs role influence in Somalia and modern Somali politics is undeniably the most important in the country as they are known to be a difficult clan against governments that they may perceive as unfair towards the people of the nation or threatening towards them in particular. The support of the Habargidir is often sought out by most sitting presidents in order for the sitting administration to work smoothly without much opposition.

Furthermore, the Habargidir clan is the most powerful clan in the country's economic and telecommunication sectors, controlling over 50% of the country's economy. [[Ali Jimale Ahmed]], the owner of Hormuud telecommunications and Salam Bank and a member of the Habargidir, Duduble, is the richest Somali in the country. [[Hormuud Telecom|Hormuud]] telecommunications service is the largest telecommunication in Somalia and the second largest in East Africa.

Aarcad100 (talk) 08:08, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 08:18, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTSOMALIA/Resources/conflictinsomalia.pdf

[2] ttp://www.crisisgroup.org/~/media/Files/africa/horn-of-africa/somalia/B064%20Somalia%20The%20Trouble%20with%20Puntland.pdf

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