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Bingham location during Order No. 11 and Reference

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Is there a valid reference for Bingham's location at the time of the implementation of Order No. 11? I've removed statement that he was actually in KC since the reference is dubious. He was state treasurer at the time and therefore was more likely to have been in Jeff City. His former studio in KC had collapsed as part of the Women's prison a few weeks before. So perhaps he was back on business related to that episode during the implementation of the order. Note that the quote begins: "It is well-known" which sounds like second hand rather than first hand recounting of things he actually witnessed. A reliable source is needed.

A Missouri Partisan Ranger website is not what I would call a reliable or unbiased source, especially since it contains clearly false comments on the same page...and without sources for those. (Hint: Ewing and other Federal commanders tried to prevent Lane and his Kansan's from entering Missouri--this was a recurring concern.) Red Harvest (talk) 01:19, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Check out the letters of George Caleb Bingham. In a footnote to Bingham's 3/8/1870 letter, Rollins's son states that Bingham went to Ewing's office in KC to try and convince him to rescind the order. In Bingham's 3/12/1869 letter, he states "I lived in that district of country, knew its people and all the prominent facts of its history during the war." His 2/22/1877 letter states "I was present in Kansas City when the order was being enforced, having been drawn thither by the hope that I would be able to have it rescinded or at least modified, and can affirm, from painful personal observation, that the suffering of its unfortunate victims..." K Piontek 7/28/2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:5B0:25FF:2CF0:0:0:0:38 (talk) 04:54, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The best reference is his 7/14/1879 "letter from the grave" (published in the St. Louis Post Dispatch after his death). "I myself was present which (when) the infamous mandate was being enforced. I witnessed successive processions of dejected and despairing women, with their bareheaded and barefooted children, as they fled...I subsequently passed across the desolated district..." K Piontek — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:5B0:25FF:2CF0:0:0:0:38 (talk) 05:13, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Those sound good enough to me. Red Harvest (talk) 06:17, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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