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[edit]No mention of Fluor's nuclear waste operation. This entry reads like a press release ~~ memetank
Article Expansion
[edit]Additional facts of their operation citing the 5 major groups of the company. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thinkbeforeyoupost (talk • contribs) 22:38, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Naomi Klein discusses Fluor extensively in her book The Shock Doctrine, in relation to no-bid contracts and with reconstructive efforts, specifically with the war in Iraq and Hurricane Katrina. Klein's stance is critical but well-developed in one of her more popular works, and should be mentioned in the article.
Bias in article
[edit]It's pretty obvious that this article is being edited by someone who represents Fluor and is trying to promote the company. This has been reverted several times by various users but it invariably returns again and again. This is not the place for corporate marketing, so cut it out! SirLamer 22:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
This piece doesn't bother to mention there is no mention of the very large presence that Fluor has in Iraq. Is that not significant or are they trying to hid it?
23:53, 10 September 2007 (UTC)~
Draft
[edit]I am affiliated with Fluor Corp. and have offered a draft of a substantially improved version of the article at the Conflict of Interest Noticeboard here for consideration/review/feedback by impartial editors. I wanted to also post here on the Talk page in case there are editors with this page on their watchlist that want to discuss the new material. CorporateM (Talk) 21:47, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
- From my edit summary at article page: "Sub in CorporateM draft as discussed at this talk page, COI noticeboard and at article draft. Please revert me if you do not agree" North8000 (talk) 19:22, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
- For general reference and archival purposes, I've copy/pasted the discussion about the re-write of the article that took place in my user-space below. There are also some comments on the COIN board that will get archived there eventually. BTW - I noticed when user:Ukexpat updated the article to C-class that it is marked as "low importance" in Wikiproject Companies, which I thought was unusual for a Fortune 110 company to be of low importance, though I do not know what criterion are used for evaluating it. CorporateM (Talk) 20:46, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Reviewing this article
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Just a note that I am reading this over, and comparing it to what is now at Fluor Corporation. I'll give more detailed feedback soon(-ish). My first quick thought is that this looks much, much better than what is live. I'm afraid I won't be much help in determining whether or not it will be good enough for GA but I can at least lend my support as an unbiased editor without a COI. -- Atama頭 22:00, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Below is the material that didn't make it into my draft, because it wasn't sourced well-enough. For the Notable projects section, I mostly looked for jobs included in profiles that summarize their most important jobs, with some exceptions where the item was covered in a lot of media. However it wasn't always clear which projects to include. I was really on the fence with the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge project for example.
CorporateM (Talk) 23:10, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
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See also
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Suggest adding a "See also" section with a link to the Wikipedia page on NuScale Power. It is mentioned in this page that Fluor has a majority interest in it. CorporateM (Talk) 17:03, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
GA Review
[edit]Article promoted - 13 July 2014.
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Reviewer: TLSuda (talk · contribs) 19:02, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Initial review[edit]GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
Prose review[edit]Lead[edit]
Early history[edit]
Diversification and restructuring[edit]
Recent history[edit]
Organization[edit]
Notable objects[edit]
Side question[edit]
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Request Edit
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The current article states: "According to the company website, Fluor has four primary business groups....". The website has been updated to reflect that the company is now organized into six segments. That being said, I think breaking down all six segments in bullets as is done now for four segments is too much. As such, I suggest the following more concise replacement for that sentence and all four bullets.
- According to Fluor's 2013 annual report, 57 percent of its work backlog is from the oil and gas industry.[1] According to the company's website, Fluor's work includes designing and building power plants, petrochemical factories, mining facilities, roads and bridges, government buildings, and manufacturing facilities. The company also performs nuclear cleanup and other services.[2]
I can update the annual report reference each year as a non-controversial edit with the latest numbers. CorporateM (Talk) 21:29, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Small update
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Suggest adding construction of the Tappan Zee Bridge over the Hudson river to the "Notable Projects" section.
- "In December 2012, Fluor was awarded a $3.14 billion contract to build the Tappan Zee Bridge over the Hudson River.[3]"
The Notable Projects section is just a concise summary of the most significant works, but as a $3 billion project covered in national media like Bloomberg, this seemed like it was significant enough to mention.
Also, the current Lede says "in four areas: energy and chemicals, industrial and infrastructure, government and Fluor Global Services such as staffing and equipment rentals." I suggest we replace this with the industries mentioned in Fluor's annual report: oil & gas, industrial & infrastructure, government and power. David King, Ethical Wiki (Talk) 14:22, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
References
- ^ 2013 Annual Report (PDF), Fluor Corporation, retrieved January 15, 2015
- ^ Business Segments, Fluor, retrieved January 1, 2014
- ^ Klopott, Freeman; Schoifet, Mark (December 5, 2012). "Tappan Zee Bridge Panel Said to Back $3.14 Billion Fluor Bid". Bloomberg.com. Retrieved September 24, 2015.
- Done. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:17, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Recent acquisition
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Requesting Fluor's recent acquisition be added. Some potential text is below, cited to Reuters:
"Fluor acquired an engineering and construction firm based in the Netherlands called Stork for $755 million in March 2016. Stork mostly modifies and maintains large power plants.[1][2]"
David King, Ethical Wiki (CorporateM) (Talk) 21:59, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
- The proposed acquisition was already in the article, along with one of the suggested references. I edited the article to indicate that the acquisition has been closed, identify the main business, the amount involved in the acquisition and add the other reference.--S Philbrick(Talk) 21:08, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Fluor to buy Stork of the Netherlands for $755 million". Reuters. December 7, 2015. Retrieved March 4, 2016.
- ^ "Fluor finalizes acquisition of Dutch industrial services group Stork - March 2016". Hydrocarbon Processing. March 4, 2016. Retrieved March 4, 2016.
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Recent edit
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Someone added the following text to the bottom of the article
Fluor recently took over as the primary contractor at Plant Vogtle (Bechtel took over vogtle in August 2017), Units 3 & 4, and V.C. Summer (v.c summer got shut down. all work stopped in August 2017), Units 2 & 3. CB&I previously had the contract.
The content is unsourced and sounds likely to be written from personal knowledge. There are some sources about Fluor's work with Vogtle, but none that indicate it was a major historical milestone that would amount to something more than listing every project Fluor works on. As I have a COI, I would like to request another editor trim the content.
Pinging @TLSuda: who did the GA review back in 2014. CorporateM (Talk) 14:33, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Reply 05-MAR-2018
[edit]The passage you mention as being problematic is actually 2 seperately added claim statements. The first, most recent part of the claim was added in August of last year. The second part predates August of 2017. My questions:
- Which part of this two-part claim statement are you disputing?
- Where are the references for either of these claims?
In light of these discrepancies it may be necessary to revoke the GA status and begin anew with a more lengthy, and thoroughly complete GA review. Please advise.
Regards, Spintendo 19:24, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
The unsourced addition was made in October 2016, and updated later. I've removed it pending someone finding sourcing that indicates it merits inclusion. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:48, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
- I am going to second (or third as it were) that removal, Flour is a massive EPCM company, and there is no conceivable reason we should be including anecdotal information about specific contracts, of which they probably have thousands on the books at the moment. The subject of the GA re-review is another question. --kelapstick(bainuu) 16:56, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
Daniel International
[edit]The article barely mentions Daniel International and none of it's key people. This is the biggest weakness in the whole Wiki concept. History literally "disappears before our eyes"!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:1300:602D:D07B:EA07:4790:9EBC (talk) 18:11, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
New CEO
[edit]The end of the "Recent history" section says:
On May 2, 2019, Fluor's stocks fell by more than 20 percent following both the abrupt departure of David Seaton as CEO and an unexpected first-quarter loss.The loss comes a month after the company was not chosen as a repeat contractor for a LOGCAP military construction and logistics support contract in Afghanistan. Followin Seaton's departure, Fluor's board named former CEO Alan Boeckmann as executive chairman.
Wikipedia doesn't normally include stock-value updates or use editorialized language like "abrupt departure" and "unexpected .... loss." The content cites this source regarding losing a major client, but the same citation also mentions a major client win that wasn't included. I wanted to suggest more neutral content as follows:
"In May 2019, David Seaton stepped down as CEO and was replaced by Carlos Hernandez."
Pinging @Loopylu101: who made some of these edits recently, as well as @North8000: and @Guy Macon: who have worked on this page in the past given my disclosed conflict of interest. CorporateM (Talk) 18:33, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
- I agree with CorporateM's reasoning. I just made the change. --Guy Macon (talk) 18:58, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Recent edits
[edit]A couple accounts (@Tevincoleman26: and @Culturehound:) recently added some content that is cited exclusively to Fluor press releases. These two accounts made similar edits and edit-summaries within 10 minutes of each other. I want to request the edits be reverted on account of being cited to press releases (and want to clarify these are not Fluor edits). As previously disclosed, I work for Fluor as their Wikipedia point-person and have a disclosed conflict of interest. Pinging @Guy Macon: and @North8000:, who have previously participated here. CorporateM (Talk) 15:02, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
- I did it. For that reason and others. North8000 (talk) 16:15, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
2nd paragraph of the intro
[edit]Isn't this overly selective in what is highlighted? It goes from specific to vague.--DonaldMSpencer (talk) 19:03, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- I don't know what you mean. The lead should be a summary of what is in the article. It's hard to say what one particular paragraph of the lead should say, but IMO it looks like a good summary of some higher level/ broader stuff. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 22:33, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- I get the concept, it's just the intro is very selective on what they highlight and not just here. High level should be kept to what they do, picking out certian time frame and events is now leading the reader based on cherry picked events.--DonaldMSpencer (talk) 16:10, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- I don't have a strong opinion but I did give my opinion in the previous post and to me those look like pretty broad areas. I'm also not a main editor of this article. I'm just here trying to help a little which started with reviewing/doing doing edits for the potential-COI editor.North8000 (talk) 16:30, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- OK, thanks for answering my question. I had to look up COI. Does that go both ways? Seems smearing a company would be just as advantageous. Or is it positive is bad, negative news is good?--DonaldMSpencer (talk) 16:40, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- I was using "COI" in a narrower Wikipedia sense, and within that, the clear cut case where an editor is paid by the topic of the article to work on the article, and, within that the smaller group which is paid editors doing everything 100% properly and carefully which was the case with editor CorporateM here. And a part of that is that they generally work though somebody like me rather than editing the article directly.
- Articles are supposed to be neutrally written. WP:NPOV is the main policy that strives to make that happen. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 17:29, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for that information, very helpful.--DonaldMSpencer (talk) 15:00, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
- OK, thanks for answering my question. I had to look up COI. Does that go both ways? Seems smearing a company would be just as advantageous. Or is it positive is bad, negative news is good?--DonaldMSpencer (talk) 16:40, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- I don't have a strong opinion but I did give my opinion in the previous post and to me those look like pretty broad areas. I'm also not a main editor of this article. I'm just here trying to help a little which started with reviewing/doing doing edits for the potential-COI editor.North8000 (talk) 16:30, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- I get the concept, it's just the intro is very selective on what they highlight and not just here. High level should be kept to what they do, picking out certian time frame and events is now leading the reader based on cherry picked events.--DonaldMSpencer (talk) 16:10, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
Incorrect information on Fluor page
[edit]Hello, On the Fluor Corporation page info box on the right, the company headquarters location says "Grapevine" Texas. We are actually located in "Irving" Texas as stated in the first sentence of the article. Can this be corrected? Thank you
- Fixed. Paul W (talk) 09:07, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
Incorrect information on Page - No relation to Fluoride
[edit]Hi, On line 2 of the first paragraph and in the summary box under Industry, it has been listed that Fluor is connected to the Fluoride industry. We actually have no connection to the Fluoride industry; Fluor is an Engineering, Procurement and Construction company. Can these changes be corrected? If you need more information, feel free to contact me. Thanks MrKevinGoddard (talk) 18:23, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed. Paul W (talk) 10:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
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