Talk:First and second battles of El Teb

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On 13 November 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from First and Second Battles of El Teb to First and second battles of El Teb. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 13 November 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Cremastra ‹ u — c › 01:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First and Second Battles of El Teb → First and second battles of El Teb – One can claim "First Battle of Foo" and "Second Battle of Bar" are proper names, but it seems hard to claim that a description of multiple battles is a proper name. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:40, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, but not exactly for the reason given. I think that if "First Battle of El Teb" and "Second Battle of El Teb" were proper names, I'd be OK with the present title, sort of like "Presidents Carter and Reagan". But sources are almost uniform in lowercasing both "first battle of El Teb" and "second battle of El Teb", so that argument doesn't matter one way or the other. Dicklyon (talk) 06:11, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, as per Dicklyon's point on the subject. DervotNum4 (talk) 17:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, per Dicklyon. Theparties (talk) 20:29, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I also found First and Second Battles of Kakarak and First and Second Battles of Wonju. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 04:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support—per Dicklyon Tony (talk) 00:19, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Firstly while a proper name is capitalised, it is not pluralised. Note that presidents in the example by DL is an honorific and the analogy is not applicable. Secondly, as DL observes, sources generally lowercase the individual battles (see google scholar here and here but it gives no results for the combined term per the article title). If there is no good reason to cap the individual battles (per WP:NCCAPS, MOS:CAPS and evidence of usage) there is certainly no good reason to cap the combined term. Cinderella157 (talk) 23:43, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Battles of El Teb. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:38, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.