Talk:Soudal Quick-Step
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Marc De Maar
[edit]I didn't know about the Dissolution of the Netherlands Antilles, but my question is: has De Maar a double nationality? In 2010 he was registered as a Dutch rider, but then he was allowed to participate in the Netherland Antilles Cycling Championships. LegendK (talk) 22:41, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
- Wikipedia uses the (rather OR, imho) concept of sporting nationality, whereby registration/representation trumps place of birth or place of birth of parents in determining nationality. The UCI registered him as Dutch in, and I presume up to, 2009, but as Antillean in 2010 and this year. They won't have done that unilaterally: he must have requested it. I doubt that changes his rights as a Dutch citizen (even since the changes in October last, Curacao remains part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands: this change was roughly parallel to Wales disbanding, Glamorgan being integrated into England as a county, and Powys gaining a status equivalent to Scotland: membership of the UK is unchanged). But his sporting nationality makes no statement about his status as a voter or passport holder, it describes who he does/would represent in a sporting context. Kevin McE (talk) 06:28, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
- According to this news, De Maar changed UCI registration just before the national championships. There is/was no legal Antillian nationality, as far as I can tell. His website says the UCI change became official on 23 June 2010. I read some rumours indicating that De Maar would not be allowed to wear his Antillian champion jersey after the Antilles were dissolved, but I can not find official confirmation of this; however I see no more pictures of him in that jersey after that date.--EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 07:15, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
- According to Netherlands Antilles Olympic Committee, the sporting nationality of these people is still up in the air a bit. As IOC recognition has not been withdrawn (although it is expected in June 2011), it is more than possible that De Maar still has a sporting nationality of Netherlands Antilles - even if with the doomed nature of the NOC it is meaningless. The trouble we have, as I see, is whether the UCI website is an up-to-date source - what kind of time-lag do they have? Is assuming any other (sporting) nationality than what the UCI says OR? SeveroTC 08:54, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
- The daughter organisation of the UCI for the Americas is the Pan American Cycling Confederation (COPACI): the national federations page on copaci.co.cu lists the Netherlands Antilles, but that link now points to CuracaoCycling.com (I've no idea what it would have pointed to prior to October). That website reports De Maar as the winner of its national championships last year. We know that the UCI considers his official representative nationality to be a country that they codify as AHO, and we can assume that that code came about from the French Antilles Hollandaises, but this link via copaci is the nearest we have to any evidence as to where the UCI currently consider that link refers to. I don't think it is tenable to have a flag stating that a rider's nationality is a country that does not exist. Kevin McE (talk) 20:31, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
- One more reason why we shouldn't talk about 'sporting nationality', but something like 'National Cycling Federations represented'. Instead of
Fabian Cancellara (SUI) we should use Fabian Cancellara (SUI), at least for recent cyclists. But that'll take some work. --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 06:37, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
- One more reason why we shouldn't talk about 'sporting nationality', but something like 'National Cycling Federations represented'. Instead of
- The daughter organisation of the UCI for the Americas is the Pan American Cycling Confederation (COPACI): the national federations page on copaci.co.cu lists the Netherlands Antilles, but that link now points to CuracaoCycling.com (I've no idea what it would have pointed to prior to October). That website reports De Maar as the winner of its national championships last year. We know that the UCI considers his official representative nationality to be a country that they codify as AHO, and we can assume that that code came about from the French Antilles Hollandaises, but this link via copaci is the nearest we have to any evidence as to where the UCI currently consider that link refers to. I don't think it is tenable to have a flag stating that a rider's nationality is a country that does not exist. Kevin McE (talk) 20:31, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
- According to Netherlands Antilles Olympic Committee, the sporting nationality of these people is still up in the air a bit. As IOC recognition has not been withdrawn (although it is expected in June 2011), it is more than possible that De Maar still has a sporting nationality of Netherlands Antilles - even if with the doomed nature of the NOC it is meaningless. The trouble we have, as I see, is whether the UCI website is an up-to-date source - what kind of time-lag do they have? Is assuming any other (sporting) nationality than what the UCI says OR? SeveroTC 08:54, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
- According to this news, De Maar changed UCI registration just before the national championships. There is/was no legal Antillian nationality, as far as I can tell. His website says the UCI change became official on 23 June 2010. I read some rumours indicating that De Maar would not be allowed to wear his Antillian champion jersey after the Antilles were dissolved, but I can not find official confirmation of this; however I see no more pictures of him in that jersey after that date.--EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 07:15, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Requested move
[edit]- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:14, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Quick Step → Quick-Step – The websites of both the cycling team and the flooring manufacturer that sponsors it include a hyphen in the name. Redirect blocks non-admin move. Qwfp (talk) 13:15, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- But what's the common name? I can't configure Google to give different results for with and without hyphen but lots of sources seems to ignore it. SeveroTC 13:57, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Oppose. Originally, the logo included an interpunct, and was styled as "Quick·Step". For obvious keyboard reasons, this is typed as "Quick Step", "Quick-Step" or "Quickstep". I have done a google search to see what the common name is, I only looked at the top 10 results for each source listed below.
- The sponsor and the team now use "Quick-Step".
- The Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) (example) and Tour de France site (example) use "Quick Step".
- The international press (BBC, Spiegel, Gazzetta, NYTimes) use "Quick Step", (to be fair, exceptions exist: [Lemonde uses "Quickstep").
- Specialized cycling websites:
- cyclingnews uses "Quick Step" in most articles, "Quickstep" in some.
- velonews uses "Quick Step"
- memoire du cyclisme used "Quick Step"
So my conclusion is that the name registered by the UCI (the governing organisation) is "Quick Step", that the name used by the press is in most cases "Quick Step", and that "Quick-Step" is not the common name, even though the team and sponsor would probably like it to be. Therefore the article should not be moved.--EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 20:58, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Pat Barnett got into squad
[edit]I don't know who he is and how he got in. someone have to edit it out.Tushyk (talk) 10:11, 4 January 2016 (UTC)