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Pretextual stops deserves own page

Hello, I would like to see pretextual stops as a separate page. Currently, that topic redirects to this page. While I do think the topic relates to Driving while black, I think it is a broader topic that deserves to stand by itself.

Thanks for the consideration! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sdfoley01 (talk • contribs)

There's Terry_stop#Pretextual_stops. Valereee (talk) 15:43, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Economists?

Why do we care what Sowell and Loury are saying? Neither is a sociologist or criminologist or anything else that would make them an expert in this issue. Valereee (talk) 14:34, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Economists are experts on statistics and human behaviour, and therefore have domain expertise relevant to this area. Economists frequently study crime and policing, and regularly publish articles in such journals. Publius Obsequium (talk) 17:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Loury, sure, we can use it. The Sowell is just an opinion piece, not peer-reviewed research. Valereee (talk) 17:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Criminolgists, sociologists, and political scientists are the experts of this topic, not economists. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:53, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On balance I agree with EG. Even looking at the Loury piece, the only mention of driving is in a long list of similar terms, which he calls tropes, and for which he doesn't actually present any evidence of higher stop rates for black drivers. It's in a section closer to opinion than research. Valereee (talk) 13:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why would political scientists be valid domain experts but not economists? I think we need to be consistent then and remove all sources from non relevant experts. I see quite a bit from other fields in this article that I will remove then if that is the consensus. Publius Obsequium (talk) 14:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Be bold. People will revert if they disagree, and then we can discuss. Valereee (talk) 16:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

political scientist don't have any relevant expertise than economists, arguably less so Publius Obsequium (talk) 14:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]