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I believe that the Do X was never flown or being used by Lufthansa F.bendik 11:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Substantial article of historical importance. Lacks references. MadMaxDog 08:58, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Final fate

Germany's original Do X was turned over to Lufthansa, the national airline, after the financially strapped Dornier Company could no longer operate it. After a successful 1932 tour of German coastal cities, Lufthansa planned a Do X flight to Vienna, Budapest, and Istanbul for 1933. The voyage ended after nine days when the plane's tail section tore off during a botched, over-steep landing on a reservoir lake near the city of Passau.^[1] While the fiasco was successfully covered up and the plane repaired, it was then flown to Berlin,^{[clarification needed]} where it became the centerpiece of Germany's new aviation museum in 1934.^{[citation needed]}

I added {{Clarify me}} and {{Fact}} tags to the above because there is no cite for Berlin nor 1934 but there are sources for flying back to Bodensee and 2 years later of a transfer to Berlin.

I'm not familiar with this part of history, I have none of the source books, so all I can make is this summary from some googled cites. It seems this needs to be clarified by someone with actual books and not from Google Books snippets.

1933 May 9 tail section lost landing on reservoir near Passau^[1]

1933 remained in Heining west Passau for several weeks where it was repaired with difficulty in the open^[1]

1933 September 5: Wagner flies it back to Bodensee ^[2]

1933 after 9 May it made a few further flights^[3]

1933 dismantled in Travemünde, transported to the Deutsche Luftfahrtsammlung Berlin, a precursor to the Deutschen Technikmuseums Berlin, where it was eventually exhibited^[4]

1934 in museum, but which?

1934 October taken out of service by the Reich Air Ministry (RLM = Reichsluftfahrtministerium)^[3]^[5]

1936 transferred to the Berliner-Luftfahrt museum^[6]

1936 June the DO X was the central feature in the Museum at its opening^[3]

1943 November damaged by WWII bomb^[4]^[3]

After WWII ended, destroyed by metal-scavengers and trophy-hunters^[4]^[3]

Today only a few metal pieces and one wooden propeller remain, plus the tail section^[4]^[3]

Citations:

^ ^a ^b ^c Hormann p. 9. 9. Mai 1933 im Passau Cite error: The named reference "SM" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
^ Hormann p. 9 right-most column: Am 5.September 1933 flog Chefeinflieger Wagner die DO-X zum Bodensee zurück. Mit dem Fiasko von Passau begann für DO-X der Weg ins Museum. Loose translation: On 3 September 1933 chief test pilot Wagner flew the DO-X back to Bodensee. The Passau fiasco resulted in the DO-X starting its journey into the museum.
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f Szigeti
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d German wikipedia
^ Editors of German wikipedia state the RLM announced the end of DO X's career as a passenger aircraft in October 1934
^ Zeitschrift VLGA p. 204. 1936 wurde die Do X in das Berliner Luftfahrt-Museum überführt (translation: In 1936 the Do X was transferred to the Berliner Luftfahrt-Museum)

References:

Jörg-Michael Hormann (2008-05-17), Anfang vom Ende des ersten "Jumbo" (PDF) (in German), Starnberger Merkur, p. 9, retrieved 2009-05-03
Zeitschrift des Vereins für Lübeckische Geschichte und Altertumskunde (in German), M. Schmidt-Römhild., 2006, retrieved 2009-05-26
Szigeti, Marton (1999-05-10), DORNIER DO X: LEGENDARY FLYING BOAT, FLUG REVUE, Ubierstr. 83, 53173 Bonn, Germany, retrieved 2009-05-26, From page 16 of FLUG REVUE 6/99
Dornier Do X (in German), Editors of German Wikipedia, 2009-05-14, retrieved 2009-05-26

84user (talk) 19:57, 26 May 2009 (UTC) I added more details. 84user (talk) 21:04, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Passenger record for 20 years

Presently the article says: "In order to satisfy skeptics, on its 70th test flight on October 21st there were 169 souls on board;[1] 150 passengers (mostly production workers and their families, and a few journalists), 10 aircrew and 9 "stowaways", who did not hold tickets. The flight broke the then world record for the number of persons carried on a single flight, a record that was not broken for another 15 years."

In fact, the record that was not broken for another 20 years, by the US military transporter R6V_Constitution. Epsiloner (talk) 13:21, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here a source for this claim (SPIEGEL online): http://einestages.spiegel.de/static/topicalbumbackground/4757/groessenwahn_hoch_x.html Unfortunately the article is in German, but it also has 20 nice photographs of the Do X. Epsiloner (talk) 13:27, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the source, I have added it as an inline citation.

The main source for the article, was a seven column whole page spread on the Do-X for the Starnberg's regional newspaper, weekend issue 17/18 May 2008, number 114. The PDF of that page, "Starnberger Merkur 17.Mai 2008 Lokales.pdf", was hosted by http://zeppelin-bis-airbus.de/ but the link now returns 404 and the site itself requires a ispCP Omega login. The Internet Archive reports the site's robots.txt prevents it keeping a copy. A copy of the PDF still remains on my PC but I will slowly replace some cites with page 16 from the English language FLUG REVUE 1999 that is still-online at http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/FRheft/FRH9906/FR9906d.htm . -84user (talk) 15:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dornier Museum video

I added the 5 minute 14 second video Historische Aufnahmen der Dornier Do X on YouTube as a reference for some inline citations. In case it is of interest for others here are some key points from the film.

Minutes	Seconds	Duration	Notes
0	0	10	Dornier aircraft sketches
0	10	12	Doriner DO X specifications
0	24	6	Still photos of a possible one to one scale model
0	30	15	Still photos, start of planning, film clip of factory on Bodensee
0	45	25	240 thousand work hours, film of DO-X in water, "will it fly?", doubts
1	12	21	engineer in control room, 1929-06-12 first flight
1	33	5	Test pilot Richard Wagner
1	38	18	12 Jupiter motors, measuring air speed
1	56	5	Record: flew with 170 people on board
2	14	10	Unsatisfactory Jupiter motor performance: upgraded with more powerful water cooled Curtis motors, each 640 HP
2	25	15	cross-section diagram: 3 decks; photo cockpit; films: machine room; man crawling along tunnel (inside wing?); radio room and rotating circular antenna
2	40	15	main deck with seats for 66 people, dining tables, branded porcelain "Dekoration von Marcel Dornier Langenargen" "Gräf & Krippner Selb Bavaria"; menu with seven white wines followed by red wine list
2	57	10	passenger facilities: onboard telephone, typewriter. Upholstered furniture
3	08	3	man lies down on seat folded flat
3	12	6	fuel tanks in the underdeck 23 thousand litres capacity
3	20	26	1930-11-05 DO-X starts its Europaflug including Holland, England, France, Spain and Portugal; film clips of machine room, pilot at wheel, stranded ship
3	46	12	map of route Rio to New York, 22 days with 10 landings and "visiting" flights included
3	58	35	British Movietone title card "DO-X REACHES END OF LONG VOYAGE", behind and at Statue of Liberty with escort aircraft, landing
4	34	10	Coney Island boat Sea Gate Route, American newspaper headlines, people fascinated, film of DO-X with flags, people on wing
4	56	10	Photo of group on New York City Hall steps: mayor welcomes the crew
5	06	8	After much overhaul and over-wintering in New York, the DO-X flies back to Europe, and then to Berlin

-84user (talk) 00:59, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Substantial article of historical importance. Lacks references. MadMaxDog 08:58, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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"X"

Is that the letter 'X' or the Roman Numeral 'X'? 104.153.40.58 (talk) 21:18, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The letter. It's part of letter designation series. BilCat (talk) 21:41, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[SM-1] Hormann p. 9. 9. Mai 1933 im Passau Cite error: The named reference "SM" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

[2] Hormann p. 9 right-most column: Am 5.September 1933 flog Chefeinflieger Wagner die DO-X zum Bodensee zurück. Mit dem Fiasko von Passau begann für DO-X der Weg ins Museum. Loose translation: On 3 September 1933 chief test pilot Wagner flew the DO-X back to Bodensee. The Passau fiasco resulted in the DO-X starting its journey into the museum.

[Szigeti-3] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f Szigeti

[DE-4] German wikipedia

[5] Editors of German wikipedia state the RLM announced the end of DO X's career as a passenger aircraft in October 1934

[6] Zeitschrift VLGA p. 204. 1936 wurde die Do X in das Berliner Luftfahrt-Museum überführt (translation: In 1936 the Do X was transferred to the Berliner Luftfahrt-Museum)

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