Talk:Doomsday (DC Comics)

Science behind Doomsdays origin

Not ever having read his origin, I cannot be sure, but the term which was used is not very scientific and doesn't actually make a lot of sense.

"Each time, the lifeform's remains were harvested and used again, to create a better, stronger version than the previous"

How do you use remains to make something stronger? How does it become resistant? Just a single set of remains would never be capable of improvement via combat in that manner. Now there does exist a scientific method called Genetic Algorithms which could be more apt in this circumstance. The concept is to send out several "beings" into the population and watch which ones survive longest. Of those that survive longest you take their DNA (from the remains) and you splice them with other samples from longer surviving beings. Then you re-release into the population and watch to see which new beings survive longest. By repeating this process over and over again you are essentially "breeding" the genes which are capable of surviving the system. This process I can clearly see would lead to the development of Doomsday.... I just dont see how taking 1 set of remains and then making a new creature from them would be of any benefit at all.... but not having read the origin I dont know if this was actually the case and it got badly paraphrased, or if the origin truely was this scientifically retarded! Enigmatical 23:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Everything gets retconned. He may be given a more developed origin by some future writer.

You're right that his cloning origin doesn't make sense. However, neither does his genetic memory of the many lives he was put through. But hey, it's a comic book, Superman can fly; we accept some bad science for the sake of entertainment.64.247.206.176 18:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Why is everyone blaming the article's writer for the comic book explaination?

(The quote is lifted directly from Hunter/Prey, and the idea behind it is that the stress caused to the entire body of the 'doomsday baby' was recorded into the DNA of the cells. It was implied in Hunter/Prey that Bertorn then somehow stabilised or strengthened that particularly part of the DNA. It was also clearly extremely advanced science, so perhaps it *isn't* the *comic* which is 'scientifically retarded'.

What you were talking about above with sending out *whole biological units*? They did that with the just the doomsbaby *genes*.

Enigmatical, if you are going to *insist* on using offensive taboo phrases like 'retarded', then you should probably learn to spell English properly, or at least act like you care. How can you spell 'scientifically' but not 'truly'? Let me guess: With little effort.

(If you are non-english speaker, then please ignore the above paragraph, and be assured that your English is actually much better than most native English speakers.)

I humbly suggest that you read books/comics BEFORE attempting to add to the Wiki discussion. Walk into a comic shop, BUY IT - and read it. Wiki is for research, NOT to attempt to save money by making eveyone else tell you what happened in the comics you're interested in.)

Yes I know it was 3 years ago, but that doesn't make my point any less valid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.102.17 (talk) 07:42, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

A single being cloned over and over again can change and adapt with spontaneous mutation. Cancer is a spontaneous mutation. It doesn have to be passed through breeding (although not useful). 129.139.1.68 (talk) 18:12, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Doomsday rightly makes the grade as one of the "The most ludicrous depictions of evolution in science fiction history" (see no. 3). The fact that it's a comic book does not excuse the lazy depiction of science, considering this is often what weasels its way into people's subconscious 'understanding' of it. Rolf Schmidt (talk) 03:20, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Hulk/Doomsday

Doomsday never dies? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.237.222 (talk) 01:02, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I remember Hulk and Supes fought, and Superman would beat Hulk no problem. Then this doomsday guy with healing abilities and who gets stronger as you hit him shows up and he kill Superman! Hulk was cheated!!! Rodders

It's all in the claws Dr Archeville 21:13, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

the Hulk has never moved the moon with the help of 2 weaker friends superman simply is out of his league! George 02:45, 18 July 2006 (UTC) (a friend of the signer)

The Hulk vs Superman Supermans Powers Are limited while the hulks power is limitless even being able to lift a 260 billion ton mountain

Are you kidding me? Supermans powers are also limitless. No one knows the extent of supermans powers. 74.140.231.133 05:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)Kara

Superman gets his power from the sun, and there are only so many stars in the universe. In theory, Supermans power is caped, where as the Hulks can go beyond the universe.

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 01:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Superman is a capacitor. The ammount of stars is irrelevant.

Radiant battle

I edited the beginning of this entry for truthfullness. DD didn't destroy the radiant the first time, he got his butt handed to him and was shot off planet (seen in superman/doomsday: hunter/prey #2) where he eventually came to earth, which explains why he had the green suit and was tied up. I went on to explain this, as the entry never specied how he came to earth.

Also, I'm rewording that nonsense about doomsday not talking. he talks EVERY TIME HE APPEARS and yet superman is always surprised. in the original doomsday arc he clearly said "metropolis" several times and "war bash" once

---Technically, when Doomsday says "Metropolis" and "War Bash", it's more of a gutteral noise, akin to parroting. When he "talks", they refer to him actually vocalizing full words with correct syntax and grammar, i.e. when Brainiac controls his body, and after the Imperiex thing. So it's perfectly logical that Superman would be a bit surprised at Doomsday speaking.

Is Bertran from Calaton? That would mean Doomsday is a Calatonian. --69.255.16.162 12:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Bertron is from Krypton, as the page clearly states.

He wasn't even from Krypton. He and his fellow scientists just landed on a desolate planet with animal savage natives to use for their experiment. Bertron was from Roswell.129.139.1.68 (talk) 18:15, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

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Titan

Is there an actual citation anywhere of Titan being based on Doomsday, or is it just another case of "Hey, they seem sort of alike to me, I'll put it on my blog... uh, I mean, on Wikipedia?" ;) ~03:23, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

regarding this change

The tags the above change removed were valid. The first item about Titan is unsourced speculation and shouldn't be in the article. The second item is an unsourced rumor. Not a fact and shouldn't be in the article. I have readded the tags. If reliable sources are shown for these, then I suggest the tags can be removed.--Rockfang (talk) 02:27, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

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Aliases

I have added {{cn}} to all of the aliases in the infobox. If someone could add {{cite comic}} citations as sources for each individual alias, it would be appreciated.--Rockfang (talk) 21:44, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

WOMD

Would he/"it" qualify as a weapon of mass destruction? (JoeLoeb (talk) 02:23, 14 March 2009 (UTC))

Jesus....Okay never mind. (JoeLoeb (talk) 19:38, 3 April 2009 (UTC))

Update Smallville section?

Anyone? (JoeLoeb (talk) 05:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC))

Jesus, is anyone on this article? (JoeLoeb (talk) 16:30, 15 May 2009 (UTC))

Are you calling me Jesus?129.139.1.68 (talk) 18:16, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Uh, no. (JoeLoeb (talk) 17:03, 29 January 2012 (UTC))

IGN Mentions

What's with all the IGN references in superhero articles? Who cares about a private company's list, this is supposed to be a neutral, independent encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.72.191.171 (talk) 04:55, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Has it been 100% confirmed that Doomsday is in Batman V Superman?

The source given appears to just be ComicBookResources speculating that the character is Doomsday based on what they saw on the trailer. While I myself am convinced that it is Doomsday, has DC Entertainment, Warner Brothers or any other official source confirmed it? DarkKnight2149 22:49, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

No. But per WP:V, it doesn't have to be officially confirmed. As example: Marvel has not stated "officially" that Spider-Man is in Civil War, yet Entertainment Weekly just revealed for sure that he is. That doesn't make EW wrong (nor CBR or any of the other reliable sources for this either). - Favre1fan93 (talk) 00:02, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Well, Wikipedia does have a verifiability, not truth policy, so I guess your right (though a primary source would be preferred for further verification if one ever surfaces). DarkKnight2149 00:20, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

I agree. But we also have to consider, even if it isn't confirmed, is it material likely to be challenged? And I don't believe so. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 01:30, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

He was in it. Get a grip. Chickenmonger (talk) 21:53, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

The above conversation took place before the movie came out. DonQuixote (talk) 22:01, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

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Innacurate lede? Only character to defeat Superman in combat?

I'd have to search for more examples, but I feel that Superman has been defeated several times in combat. Leaving aside common tricks like psychic attacks, clones, and Kryptonite, I think of Solomon Grundy and Mordru, and perhaps other magic users (at least pre-Crisis). I imagine there are more.

I'd like to suggest the final sentence of the opening to this article read "only character to kill Superman in combat", rather than "defeat and kill". SSBDelphiki (talk) 09:45, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Use of bold in General Zod's name

Specifically, in this section. Could anyone please tell me if Zod's name should be in bold there?--Thylacine24 (talk) 15:31, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

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