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Article overstates importance

Currently, the article reads, in part "Al-Hakim's actions destroying the Holy Sepulchre are generally accepted to have been the primary cause of the Crusades.[4] When the news reached Europe, Christians were horrified and the Pope sent a circular letter to all churches calling for an armed campaign in the Middle East.[5]".

However:

The desecration of Jerusalem by Al-Hakim was in 1009AD. The first crusade didn't start until 1099. In between the two events, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre was rebuilt and pilgrimages from Europe resumed.

The pope at the time of the desecration, who called for a campaign in the Middle East, died in 1012. Suggesting that the first crusade was at his instigation seems a bit of a stretch.

The source cited for 'generally accepted' (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=BqCdfhW3nVwC&pg=PA1&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false) doesn't claim this at all, as far as I can see. He doesn't even appear to claim that he believes that this was the primary cause.

The source cited for generally accepted is only referring to the First Crusade, not all the crusades.

for these reasons, I'm removing this claim...

Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 14:05, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV

Hi, Guru Noel - I think that this edit here is a bit NPOVY; you may consider reverting back to what the statement said previously. Just wanted to leave a talk page message here and share my concerns. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:20, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Oshwah - thanks for your concerns. I am not sure the use of language contravenes NPOV. The Abomination of desolation is a term that seems generally viewed to be used about the destruction of some religious place in Jerusalem, whether by Nebuchadnezzar II or Vespasian or whoever... I thought it might help the reader note the event as one in a procession of repeating patterns in history through novel use of language, so will let it stand if you will? Guru Noel (talk) 01:02, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple DYK reviewers have raised questions about the article's neutrality. See Template:Did you know nominations/Fatimid desecration of Jerusalem. I've added a POV tag to the article. -Zanhe (talk) 22:38, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong name?

The article is called "Destruction of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre" but it deals with more than just the destruction of that church. So the article should be renamed or its focus changed. ImTheIP (talk) 05:00, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]