Talk:Killing of Chandra Levy/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: -- Cirt (talk) 05:37, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I will review this article. -- Cirt (talk) 05:37, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation links

Fixed. KimChee (talk) 00:00, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

External links

Fixed. All dead links have been replaced. KimChee (talk) 00:00, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Stability

One concern about this article is stability (#5) as the trial of Ingmar Guandique is underway. KimChee (talk) 07:32, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but it is a small portion of the total article, and is estimated to take a month. I plan to update it when the verdict is announced and if necessary upon sentencing. So that would be two more sentences. Certainly, the legal proceedings could go on for years. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 10:16, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I personally like the overall quality of the article, I had never heard of the cae before but after reading it I felt like I read a broad coverage of the case.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:52, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good article nomination on hold

This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of November 28, 2010, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Passes here. Writing quality is good enough for GA quality status, however, going forward, I would strongly recommend additional copyediting from previously uninvolved editors, via requests to WP:GOCE and posts to relevant WikiProject talk pages.

2. Factually accurate?: Fails here. Some of the cites lack "author" (or last=|first=). More info is needed, and fields should be filled in with additional info added to the cites, wherever possible.

3. Broad in coverage?: Fails here. It is indeed quite thorough. However, the reader is left feeling a bit devoid of a conclusion, or finality. Strongly recommend creating both an Impact subsection, with commentary about the impact of the murder, death, investigation, etc, in secondary sources - and creating a Memorial or Tribune section, or something like that - including information on burial, funeral ceremonies, formal and informal remembrances, etc.

4. Neutral point of view?: Passes here.

5. Article stability? Fails here. There has been a significant amount of changes made since the start of the GA review - and indeed, over the past 24 hours. In addition, inspection of the talk page shows multiple ongoing discussions of content issues. However, I propose waiting a few days to see if the article edit history settles down without major ongoing conflicts - and also to hear from some of the editors involved in the talk page discussion - about both a summary of ongoing content discussion issues - and whether those issues are resolved or at least devoid of risk of endangering stability of the article edit history, itself.

6. Images?: Fails here. However, this can be resolved:

File:Chandra Levy.jpg - Have any attempts been made to obtain a free use image of the subject?
File:USP Big Sandy.jpg - This is pending deletion and should be removed until that issue is resolved.

NOTE: Please do not post interspersed back and forth and back and forth threaded comments, above in between the initial GA Review. Instead, please post all responses, below. Thank you! :)

Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. -- Cirt (talk) 16:44, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2. I will look at those. The footnotes without |first and |last do not identify authors.
3. I have started a Memorial and tribute section.
5. I certainly want stability and want to avoid any edit war. I suggest that "when in doubt, leave it out" if there is some concern about disputed content.
6. I have looked for free use images of Levy, but can't find any. The photo used in the infobox was taken for the family, and then released and circulated by the DC Police in the effort to find a missing person. I think the fair use rationale is solid. I have deleted all of the photos that are in controversy until their status can be clarified. I have also send an email inquiry to the Department of Justice seeking clarification of the images on the Bureau of Prison's website. Thank you for your work on the review. Racepacket (talk) 19:44, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1/5. Conservative copyedit pass with regard to stability.

2. I have gone through every reference entry and the author/last/first is missing only where the source does not identify them, such as AP articles. In each case a minimum of publisher/newspaper/agency is identified. The Finding Chandra references were in the abbreviated Harvard style, but the information has been filled out per reviewer comment. ~~A missing citation has been added for poll data from Condit's congressional district.~~ My mistake, citation was fine. KimChee (talk) 14:13, 29 November 2010 (UTC) / 21:31, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2. I think we have met your concerns.

5. I think KimChee and I have achieved equilibrium.

6. Images have been removed. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 18:30, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA review followup

Excellent work on Impact sect. However, the first 2 sentences of this sect appear to be uncited, and seem to violate WP:NOR.
One sentence paragraphs and short paragraphs at bottom of sect Life and background - done
One sentence paragraphs and short paragraphs at bottom of sect Impact - done
Sect Memorials and tributes should be significantly expanded a great deal more. What was said at the memorials? Tribute? Did anyone notable attend? What did they say? Any memorial funds established in her honor/memory? - checked and could not find any memorial fund, or foundation named after her, etc. Racepacket (talk) 02:13, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps in order to remove File:Chandra Levy.jpg to replace with a free use image, an attempt could be made to contact representatives of the estate of the deceased? This photo was released for the purpose of helping find Levy while she was missing. I would hesitate to contact the parents since their lawyers are actively trying to seal the photos of the crime scene.

-- Cirt (talk) 21:20, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Photo of Chandra Levy

Is there something lacking in the "fair use rationale" that was provided for the photo? It seems that if a person, who was never a public figure, dies and no free use photo is available, the fair use rationale is quite powerful. Our criteria is whether a valid fair use rationale was offered for the photo. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 14:23, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with above comment, just asking whether someone can simply take the few minutes to attempt to contact individuals to try to obtain a free use photo. -- Cirt (talk) 16:29, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Memorial and tribute

I see this section was moved to be in chrono order, okay.
But that is more appropriate for the Memorial sect by itself, with perhaps a Tributes sect below the Impact sect.
The memorial sect could be expanded, per my comments, above.
The Tributes sect could contain info on scholarship funds in her honor, annual events held in her memory, structures being built with her name, that sort of thing.

-- Cirt (talk) 19:37, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Memorials expanded

We expanded the memorial section. There is always a risk of going over WP:UNDUE. Biographies of most notable people do not give detailed accounts of their funerals and tributes. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 22:25, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Looks much better. I do not think it is undue. It appears some other questions I had asked, from above, are not yet addressed, or ignored without adequate responses. -- Cirt (talk) 04:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple comments and points I had made above from bolded headings most recently in this subpage appear to lack responses or attempts to address them - image, tribute, etc. -- Cirt (talk) 06:14, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Response

We agree that getting a free use image is not a GA criteria, and that the fair use rationale for the photo is adequate here. I am not going to contact either the parents or their lawyers while they are in the middle of a legal battle over the release of the crime scene photos.
I can not locate anything named after Chandra Levy. Her mother did co-found a foundation, but the website has been taken down and the Modesto Bee reporter doubts that it is still in operation. The Wings of Protection Foundation is named in the article.
I believe that the expanded memorial section is sufficient. At the 2003 memorial service, neither parent spoke, nor did Gary Condit attend. I believe that everyone has sympathy for her family and a sense of loss. However, there are few "heroic" elements here to capture the public's attention or to motivate naming things after her. Although my search did not find anything, I do not have any sources to support adding a negative statement to the effect that nothing has been named in her honor. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 06:53, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If you can point to another wikipedia article with a "Tribute" section that can serve as a model, or if you know of some particular sources that I have overlooked or discounted, please let me know. I am also trying to comply with WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Racepacket (talk) 18:15, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have looked over these above responses, and they do indeed adequately address the remaining concerns. The article in its present state is of a high level of quality, thank you. -- Cirt (talk) 23:21, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]