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==Original research== |
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I appreciate the work that has gone into this article (and other [[General Hospital]] articles); however many of them are violating Wikipedia's policies on [[WP:V|Verifiability]]. Some of the information in this article is obviously from the show itself, but other parts seem to be coming from other sources -- these sources need to be named in the article, in a "References" section at the bottom. --[[User:Elonka|Elonka]] 19:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC) |
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: All of the information in these articles comes directly from the show. They are completely verifiable. I'm not sure what facts you think are not. --[[User:Bookworm857158367|Bookworm857158367]] 21:09, 10 October 2006 (UTC) |
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:: Well, for example, are there any sources which can be used to verify the dates that different actors played the character? --[[User:Elonka|Elonka]] 21:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC) |
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:::I didn't add the actors but the names of the actors are certainly correct, as are the approximate dates they portrayed the character. This article and any others I contributed to were based on information from the show itself. --[[User:Bookworm857158367|Bookworm857158367]] 21:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC) |
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:::: I am not faulting your memory, but there are still Wikipedia policies on these kinds of things, for example please read: [[WP:NOR|No original research]] and [[WP:V|Verifiability]]. As it stands, without any sources at all, the page could be in danger of deletion. To avoid this though, it would help if it could provide links to other websites which help verify some of the information here (especially anything that's from longer than a few years ago). --[[User:Elonka|Elonka]] 21:22, 10 October 2006 (UTC) |
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:::::I don't really agree, but I did add a biography at the soap central site to the external links category. In this case and in all the other biographies posted, the show itself is the only reference. The events listed in the article are simply things that happened to the character on the show over the past 13 years. I know what happened to this character because I happen to have watched the show for over 20 years and am extremely familiar with this character. Other people who have added to the article are equally familiar and are also using this show itself -- just as you would use a mystery novel as the text when writing an article about a fictional character in a novel. I've seen any number of entries like that -- and about other TV characters, I might add -- which have not been given an "original research" tag. It's updated as events happen on the show, which is aired five days a week. The soap central site is basically a fan listing kept by other people who watched the show as well. --[[User:Bookworm857158367|Bookworm857158367]] 23:42, 10 October 2006 (UTC) |
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:::::: Thank you for the soapcentral.com link, it is helpful. Also, I think that you have an amazing memory, and I'm not claiming that the information in this article is incorrect, but anything that goes on Wikipedia still has to be verifiable by other editors. There's a certain amount of wiggle-room, like I'm not going to insist that 100% of the sentences can be traced back to individual sources (though some other articles on Wikipedia ''do'' have to meet that standard), but there do ''have'' to be verifiable sources, otherwise this article is going to get in serious trouble down the line. I'm actually trying to prevent that from happening -- there are other administrators who would simply delete this article on sight, without any kind of discussion, and there's actually been a certain amount of luck that they haven't yet happened upon the GH information within the 1.4 million (and growing!) set of Wikipedia articles. My goal, as a GH fan, is to help get the GH articles properly anchored with verifiable sources, so they won't be in as much danger as they currently are. As for just "using the show as a reference", it's definitely okay to use in some cases, but it can't be the ''only'' reference. For example, in order to have an article on Wikipedia, there needs to be a case that a particular subject or character is notable enough to deserve an article, per Wikipedia guideines on [[Wikipedia:Notability|Notability]]. Or in other words, just because a book is published (or a pilot of a television series is aired), doesn't mean that there should be a Wikipedia article on it... There has to be a case that the book or show or character is "notable". In the case of soap opera characters, I think you'll agree that not every walk-on character (like the waitress in the hotel restaurant) should have a separate Wikipedia bio. However, some characters ''are'' notable, and this is easy to see because they're referenced in multiple other media: ''[[Soap Opera Digest]]'', [[Lisa Rinna]]'s "[[Soap Talk]]" show, ''[[TV Guide]]'', and sometimes even more major media such as ''[[Newsweek]]'' or [[CNN]]. Those are the kinds of references which this article needs, both to prove that "Carly Corinthos" is genuinely notable, and to allow other editors than yourself to be able to verify the information which is within this article. --[[User:Elonka|Elonka]] 17:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC) |
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:::::::If you want references, you are certainly welcome to go back and add that particular link to every article you feel where it is needed. There are biographies for every character on that site as well. I'm very confident that the information I added IS correct, is originally written, and that the articles here are "noteworthy," particularly considering the frivolity of some of the other topics I have seen. There are a variety of other articles on this site where the show or book or whatnot are the only link.--[[User:Bookworm857158367|Bookworm857158367]] 19:12, 11 October 2006 (UTC) |
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:::::::: Please, keep in mind that I'm on your side! I'm a GH fan too, and I see this information as useful. But we must must must include references and sources, or all this work is going to be deleted. With all due respect, it's not about whether you, as the person adding the information, feels that the information is notable and true, it's about whether other non-fan editors can go to the same sources, to verify the information, and perhaps more importantly, verify that the information is even notable. Just because something appeared on a show, doesn't necessarily mean that it's worth putting in a Wikipedia article. Some of this information is what's called "fancruft," which you can read more about at [[WP:CRUFT]], for example, ''according to Wikipedia's notability guidelines, an article should not be entirely composed of summaries or biographies of fictional characters''. Other links worth reading are [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]] and [[Wikipedia:No original research]], and there are cautionary tales at [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy/Minor characters]]. Lastly, even in those cases where you ''can'' use a television show as a source, you can't just say, "It was on the show," you have to be able to reference a particular episode, on a particular date. But best is to reference an outside article that appeared in a newspaper or magazine or other credible source, which both verifies the information, and also confirms notability. --[[User:Elonka|Elonka]] 19:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC) |
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==Creation Section== |
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I added a quotation by [[Patrick Mulcahey]], who helped create Carly, about the creation of the character and the difficulties the staff at General Hospital experienced at the time the character first started airing and what went into her. I hope everything is fine with it. [[User:Glo145|Glo145]] ([[User talk:Glo145|talk]]) 01:36, 18 November 2007 (UTC) |
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== 2006-2007 == |
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I re-wrote the 2006-2007 section because it was awkward. None of the other characters seem to have sections like this, however, and we might consider omitting it altogether. [[User:Walksintoabar|Walksintoabar]] 03:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC) |
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* I have been a Carly fan. I always watch [[General Hospital]] [[User: Michellekerchal|MichelleKerchal]] |
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== Creator? == |
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The character was created by what head writer, was it [[Bob Guza]] or [[Claire Labine]]? Guza took over in March of 1996 and Carly first appeared in April of 1996, and Labine was the predessecor of Guza? Does anyone know for sure? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Glo145|Glo145]] ([[User talk:Glo145|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Glo145|contribs]]) 00:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==Editing== |
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This article needs a lot of editing, namely editing down the years section and adding them into the main article and storylines. The article keeps repeating information. I will try to do a bit of the editing, can other please help?--[[User:Charleenmerced|<font color="Blue">'''Char'''</font><font color="Red">'''leen'''</font><font color="Green">'''mer'''</font><font color="Blue">'''ced'''</font>]] <font color = "blue"><sup>''[[User talk:Charleenmerced | Talk]]''</sup></font> 15:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC) |
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==the baby storyline of 2007== |
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The baby could be Sonny? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Car5ly858|Car5ly858]] ([[User talk:Car5ly858|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Car5ly858|contribs]]) 23:35, 4 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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The baby is with Jax <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Eragon30|Eragon30]] ([[User talk:Eragon30|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Eragon30|contribs]]) 00:03, 29 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== benson? == |
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shouldn't the page be titles Carly BENSON Jacks? Benson is her maiden name after all <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/64.230.112.119|64.230.112.119]] ([[User talk:64.230.112.119|talk]]) 03:33, 6 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:: no, Carly goes by Carly Corinthos Jacks instead of her maiden name. --[[User:Car5ly858|Car5ly858]] 06:30, 1 December 2007 (UTC) |
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:::Actually per [[WP:COMMON]] the page should be Carly Corinthos, not to include Jacks regardless of what she is currently going by on screen. Familiarizing yourself with [[WP:COMMON|the common names policy]] will assist you in knowing where pages should go and what they should be called.[[User:CelticGreen|CelticGreen]] 18:35, 1 December 2007 (UTC) |
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==the baby's with Jax== |
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we don't even know that Carly is pregnant with the baby yet. |
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She is pregant. She just lost the baby. |
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==Mving Page== |
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If Tracy Quartermaine on Wikipedia is Tracy Spencer... I think Carly's name should be Carly Jacks because she is credited so at the end of the show. P.S: Tracy Quartermaine is still Tracy Quartermaine. ABC.com says so. And Carly's Full name is Caroline "Carly" CCorinthos. I have Proof. [http://abc.go.com/daytime/generalhospital/bios/carly_corinthos.html] |
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So we have to move it tho? [[User:Eragon30|Eragon30]] ([[User talk:Eragon30|talk]]) 21:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)--[[User:Eragon30|Eragon30]] ([[User talk:Eragon30|talk]]) 21:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC) |
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