Talk:Bobby Floyd (musician)

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A fact from Bobby Floyd (musician) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 23 October 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that despite being a keyboard player himself, Ray Charles hired Bobby Floyd to play organ and piano in his band?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bobby Floyd (Jazz musician).

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Lightburst talk 14:55, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that despite being a keyboard virtuoso himself, Ray Charles hired Bobby Floyd to play organ and piano in his band? Source: https://m.roccitymag.com/music/a-piano-players-piano-player-5496192
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- Comment: This is definitely verified in the source, but (deliberately) isn’t written down as such in the article; just that he joined the band. Also, the article started as Draft:Bobby Floyd (Jazz Musician), but I moved it to mainspace and little of the first draft made it in.

Created by Mach61 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:40, 9 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Bobby Floyd (Jazz musician); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Thank you for the article! I made some changes, also to this template. - You say you moved the draft to Main space, but it looks more like a copy&paste creation to me. Normally I'd ask to save the draft history, but as you are its only editor, you can also just have it deleted. - Next question: why is this not simply Bobby Floyd (musician)? I see no other to distinguish from, and if distinguished by "jazz", that should be lower case. If you move the article, please don't move this template.

The article is just long enough, and has good sources, no copyvio is obvious. The recordings need more sources to get it approved. - The hook doesn't work as written because the fact has to be in the article. I recommend you write it, - it would have the nice side effect to make it a bit longer. If you don't want to do that please suggest a different hook below, calling it ALT1.

In the article, you write he is married, and then "He has one daughter". That would imply for me that she is not also his wife's child, or it would be "They have one daughter", no? - I guess you don't have to do a qpq review. Enough questions for today ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:27, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I didn’t actually create the draft, User:Wilsonfloyd did. Mach61 (talk) 20:36, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, - sorry, I probably didn't look beyond the first 25 edits showing, how silly of me. User:Graham87, what do you think of this? - Mach61, please keep further replies above the line below. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:55, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested ALT1: ... that Bobby Floyd started playing piano at two years old, and was discovered to have perfect pitch shortly after? Mach61 (talk) 20:43, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, but I liked the other much better. ALT1 doesn't even suggest that he became a pianist at all, and certainly not jazz, while ALT0 has Ray Charles for context, and the word "band". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:58, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just added some context in the relevant part of the article. Does this make ALT0 usable? Mach61 (talk) 21:31, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes for me, thank you. More tomorrow. There's so much detail in the source for ALT0, - how about a bit more detail in the article? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not, actually; there are better sources than a magazine interview, and I consider myself a minimalist. Cheers Mach61 (talk) 22:08, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder why you have this child prodigy detail then, but list "church upbringing" in the lead without anything in the body to support that summary. If you want to leave it that way, please add a ref to it in the lead. - Can the cn-tags now go, being covered by AllMusic? How about one good review, which would seem more personal to me than early childhood? (Sorry, but I believe that perfect pitch has nothing to do with musicality.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:29, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I added the fact about perfect pitch because it was in multiple RS. The CN tags are for what AM 'doesn't cover, though simply citing liner notes will work. As for expansion, there's plenty of room; I made this article when newspapers.com was down, though DYK obviously takes more than a promise. Cheers Mach61 (talk) 15:31, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Understand the "perfect pitch" thingy (seems a catch phrase for journalists) better, thank you for explaining. The last jazz player I dealt with (even for DYK which I try to avoid) was Luten Petrowsky, and all unreferenced recordings there had to be commented out while on the Main page. Better write references and let me know when done. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:40, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done adding refs. Mach61 (talk) 18:59, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

for the original hook. Mach61, I recommend that you keep this nomination watchlisted until promoted, and then the prep it lands in. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:11, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the redirect per WP:DYKMOS. Lightburst (talk) 13:55, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to alter the hook because there is not source calling Ray Charles a virtuoso - either in our article or the Ray Charles article. Perfect pitch is rare and interesting, but ALT0 was approved.

ALT2:... that despite being a keyboard player himself, Ray Charles hired Bobby Floyd to play organ and piano in his band? Lightburst (talk) 14:54, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]