Talk:Bloody Sunday (1905)

Was Gapon a paid agent of the Okhrana in january 1905? Whilst his organisation was Zubatovite in origin, (ie formed under the influence of the police) he was, I thought, not acting udner police instructions when he called the 9 Janu He certainly (re?)established connections with the Okhrana later, and was killed for it by the SRs Combat Organisation (at the insistence of its head Azef, who was definitely an Okhrana agent). But isn't there a strong case for saying that in January 1905, Gapon was a naive idealist, influenced at least as much by the workers who had joined his assembly and were calling for justice than by the Zubatovite origins of his Assembly organisation?

RB

Absolutely. It's misleading to say that the leader of demonstration was a paid agent of the Okhrana. At the time he was genuinely an idealist who believed the Tzar would "help the people". See Orlando Figes. I'll remove the passage. --84.154.105.52 10:40, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

he was an agent of okhrana; it is a fact, even if he was an idealist. Idealists are best provocateurs. mikka (t) 16:28, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What's your source, so far you've given us no evidence that what you're saying is true --Geb Mills (talk) 01:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Bolshevik printers?

The dedication of Eats, Shoots and Leaves reads "To the memory of the striking Bolshevik printers of St Petersburg who, in 1905, demanded to be paid the same rate for punctuation marks as for letters, and thereby directly precipitated the first Russion Revolution."

Is that so? —RadRafe

I have several references I could make to show Czar was not there during the protest, although because they may or may not be academic, I wont put it on there for now.

1000 dead?

Seriously? Most books I have read have placed it at around 200. Anyone have any evidence to back up the 1000 dead claim?

From Years of Change - European History 1890-1945 by Robert Wolfson: "Officially, ninety-six protesters died and 333 were wounded. Probably a thousand died and a thousand more were wounded." But I've got other references that just say "over a hundred died"... --AsaRoast 21:34, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Most sources agree that the official report was inaccurate, due to bias and the fact that the crowd member were carrying off the bodies. Most sources i have found place it at around 300 dead and 800 wounded.

Caption accurate?

Is it just me or does it seem to others that the image captioned "The Tsar's soldiers shooting at demonstrators at the Winter Palace" has no soldiers actually firing? The crowd appears to be reacting to something, but it's unclear what. Askari Mark (Talk) 17:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC) The origin of this photo is not clear. It may be not the photo of actual events at all, but still from 1925 Soviet movie about the events.DonaldDuck 07:02, 23 January 2007 (UTC

situation needs a more thorough explanation

What would the secret police stand to gain from setting up a petition march? Why on earth would the secret police want to provoke an incident only to have the guard suppress it? Why would these two arms of the government be working at cross purposes, unless they deliberately wanted to destabilize the government... but if they did that, then they would also pay the price. How do we know this Gapon was actually in the pay of the secret police.... was it just his "friend" who murdered him that claims this? If a priest was working to improve the lot of the common folk, then why was religion so demonized by the communists/bolsheviks? This entry needs more light cast upon it for those not well versed in the political situation of the time.  70.71.14.86 15:52, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Father kevin?

Who's Father kevin? This article needs cleanup. Also,

Despite the consequences of this action, the Tsar was never fully blamed,, contrast to

Although the Tsar had not been present at the Winter Palace at this time, he received the blame for the deaths

hhhheeellllloooo.... ??

dino 22:19, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

This page needs some cleanup. The first paragraph doesn't quite square with the rest of the article. JPalonus (talk) 22:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Needs To Be More Specific: In the "Preludes" section, the third sentance from the end of the paragraph reads "He was warned not to act." This is too ambiguous. Who was warned not to act? The Czar? Gapon? The Protesters? I can't tell who is being refered to by reading this section. If you know who "He was warned not to act" is refering to, please replace "He" with a name (or at least something more specific.) Thank you. --Allthenamesarealreadytaken 00:51, 1 December 2007 (UTC)