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List of airlines?

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How about a list of airlines to this airport???

Antonio Look at me I can fly! Martin

Apperently it's been added but I'm missing British Airways in the list, or do they not fly to BHX anymore?^^ 86.20.165.245 13:30, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The division of British Airways, BA Connect, which operated from Birmingham, was bought out by Flybe and as such BA no longer fly out of Birmingham. Aircraft in their colours are still operating from BHX, but these are either as part of the Flybe franchaise or for maintenance (again by Flybe). Reevery 14:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Name

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Why "Birmingham International Airport (England)", not Birmingham International Airport (UK) especailly when one looks at the list of pages which link here .... ????

Images.

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We need images of the airport terminals not just the little tram service and logo. A satellite photo would be helpful to show the size of the airport. - Erebus555 12:35, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"New routes" sub-section

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I have removed the "New routes" sub-section within the "Airlines and destinations" section of the article. This sub-section is simply unnecessary repetition of new routes from the airport already included directly above (and correctly presented in accordance with WikiProject Airports guidelines). It complicates this section of the article by requiring those who update the "Airlines and destinations" section when a new route is announced to also update a second, identical section which in turn provides readers of the article with no new information and only serves to unnecessarily lengthen the article as a whole. Please post your views here so we can try to come to a consensus before simply adding this section again. SempreVolando (talk) 18:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We dont really need new routes duplicated. This is an encyclopedia not a travel guide and the information in the Airlines and destinations bit is all that is needed. MilborneOne (talk) 11:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Airlines at Birmingham International

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British Airways are the main airline at Terminal 2. Ryan flies from terminal 1 and not 2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.171.129.75 (talk) 08:20, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do not include shop / restaurant names

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Please note that Wikipedia is not a travel guide and as such individual resturants, shops, etc... within an airport (e.g. Austin Reed, Julian Graves, Yates's Wine Bar, etc...) have no encyclopedic notability. I have therefore removed these in favour of a broader generic statement of available facilities in the terminal in line with this policy. SempreVolando (talk) 14:36, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the section it appears to be a piece of advertising slipped into the history section, it is not relevant to the history, the provision of retail facilities at an airport is not notable or unusual. It is not a travel guide and lots of other WP:NOTs. MilborneOne (talk) 19:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article was moved

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An IP user has recently moved the contents of Birmingham International Airport (United Kingdom) to Birmingham International Airport, it appears that this was done without discussion. It was also moved with a copy and paste move which is not allowed in wikipedia as it destroys the article history. I have asked the IP user to discuss the move, which if agreed should be done in the correct manner. Thank you. MilborneOne (talk) 20:12, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

bmibaby

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Bmibaby's website continues to sell tickets from Birmingham to Krakow, Milan-Bergamo and Warsaw. If you believe these routes should not be shown, please discuss this rather than just deleting the information —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pmbma (talk • contribs) 16:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ryanair to Fuertevenutra

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Ryanair continue to sell tickets to Fuerteventura on their website for at least the duration of December. Please do not delete this destination without discussing or providing a source —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pmbma (talk • contribs) 19:14, 12 December 2008 (UTC) See www.ryanair.com and try booking a ticket from Birmingham to Fuerteventura for details... or see http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news.php?yr=08&month=dec&story=rte-en-101208 Pmbma (talk) 19:28, 12 December 2008 (UTC)Pmbma[reply]

Ryanair to Cuneo and Grenoble

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Flights do not begin until 20 December. Please do not delete the [begins 20 December] tag until 20 December Pmbma (talk) 11:49, 15 December 2008 (UTC)Pmbma[reply]

Incidents

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In the incidents section, could the very first incident possibly refer to the airport in Birmingham, Alabama in the USA? Birmingham-Shuttlesworth International Airport I'm not definite but it seems possible considering the source and destination of the flight. Bonzostar (talk) 20:47, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


this incident did happen at here as i remember it very well —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.42.248 (talk) 19:59, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The accident was definately at the UK airport. That is why the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch investigated and reported on it. Mjroots (talk) 22:26, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ryanair seasonal routes

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I have re-instated seasonal tags on the following Ryanair routes, because they are demonstratably and verifiably seasonal from the Ryanair Timetable:

  • Bratislava (summer seasonal, re-starts 31/03/09)
  • Marseille (summer seasonal, re-starts 29/03/09)
  • Olbia (summer seasonal, re-starts 30/03/09)
  • Poitiers (summer seasonal, re-starts 31/03/09)
  • Trapani (summer seasonal, re-starts 29/03/09)
  • Trieste (summer seasonal, re-starts 29/03/09)

The Ryanair Route Map does not concur, and clearly uses a different definition of seasonal than Wikipedia, which states at WP:AIRPORTS that the term should be applied to flights that do not operate year round. These flights clearly and verifiably do not operate year round and therefore the seasonal tag is appropriate and has been re-added.

Please do not remove the seasonal tags without discussing here first. Thanks. SempreVolando (talk) 22:23, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect Ryanair's timetable only goes so far into the future therefore they are not seasonal, I also note from youre edits you have stated the same about easyjet, only Grenoble for Easyjet is seasonal, Geneva is all year round. Therefore I have reverted your edits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magnalord (talk • contribs) 10:30, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am glad someone else see's what I am saying here, btw I will add the seasonal tag for easyjet on there, your forgot to do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.37.220.150 (talk) 10:34, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your responses. The issue I was highlighting was not that the Ryanair routes appear to end (as a result of the timetable not being released so far into the future) but that these routes are not currently operating (i.e. between now and the end of March these flights don't operate). This surely makes the routes seasonal? Marseille and Trapani for example have not operated at BHX since October last year, they are re-starting for the summer but cannot be described as "year-round" routes. If the subsequent timetables released by Ryanair suggest year-round operation then the seasonal tag can then be removed, but as it stands these routes do not operate in the winter.
As far as easyJet is concerned their timetable suggests that BHX-GVA operates only until 19 April 2009, indeed no flights can be booked beyond that date, so this is presumably a seasonal route as well? It did operate last summer but seems to be winter only this year. Let me know if I am missing something obvious here! Thanks. SempreVolando (talk) 10:55, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I would advise you check the destination map on ryanair.com, all routes in grey state they are "all year round". As for Easyjet yes your are right you can only book til the date you say, however that is because the tourist season changes there to summer, you can still and will be able to book after that date, Grenolbe you can't though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magnalord (talk • contribs) 11:16, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, yes I have seen the Ryanair Route Map, as stated in my first post above it does not seem to use the same definition of seasonal as Wikipedia does. It has been an issue on other airport articles as it lists hardly any summer-only routes as seasonal, preferring to suggest they are year-round! Clearly the routes listed above are not as they do not operate during the winter months; this is the issue and it is what makes them seasonal (not the end date due to timetable cutoff). For easyJet I still don't understand - if they intend to operate the route beyond 19th April why does their timetable state that for BHX-GVA during the summer the route operates only until 19th April, and why are they not selling tickets for the route during the summer (like they are from East Midlands, for example). The route end date concurs with the Birmingham Airport Timetable which also shows the route ending on 19/4, but shows other routes continuing into the summer. Thanks. SempreVolando (talk) 11:43, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone willing to re write/update?

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I've just had read through and some of the info is out of date, but is corrected in subsequent paragraphs.

ie. "when the 2nd runway is built", followed by "2nd runway will not be built". And "a new international pier will be built" followed by "a new international pier has been completed". Can the old stuff be written out to take into consideration building completion and up to date planning decisions? WillDow (Talk) 14:25, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the UAE lounge is now open [1]

Also, there are some points in the History section which perhaps don't belong in either "history" or "future". Thinking something like "present" be added? The fact that the airport is in Solihull and BCC isnt responsible for planning permission, for example, is something that could be moved from history. WillDow (Talk) 11:39, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to have a play around with the article throughout the course of the day to try and make it more coherent. At the moment its a bit all over the place. Bear with me through the day by not reverting. I'm going to try and use the Heathrow format to improve the article. Any probs about it, please post here rather than revert straight away... Thanks, WillDow (Talk) 09:13, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Might add "Access" with public transport, and car etc etc like on other airport pages later when i get a chance WillDow (Talk) 11:26, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Security

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If a breach of security isn't classed as an "incident", then does anyone have any objections to a new section being created to cover this? Something along the lines of Security breach or 2007 Security Lapse etc. The "incident" is already covered briefly in the history section, but for something which was so serious, perhaps expansion in a new section is warranted...?

Heathrow has "Accidents and Incidents" as a heading, then "Terrorism and security incidents" as a sub heading. WillDow (Talk) 16:03, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All BHX sources are dead

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BHX has a new official website, and it appears now that all the current sources linking to the old www.bhx.co.uk website are now deadlinks. I'm trying to go through one by one to repair these. Any help would be appreciated. New site is here WillDow (Talk) 15:06, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done WillDow (Talk) 15:42, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Runway Extension plans scaled down

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Plans have now been scaled back to halve costs. Runway will be shorter and A45 will not tunnel underneath the runway. If anyone has the time, can they update the article? [2] WillDow (Talk) 08:09, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Move (October 2010)

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I propose this is moved back to Birmingham International Airport. The page only redirects to this one. Birmingham in England gets priority over the smaller city in Alabama when it comes to naming pages and the other airport doesn't include the word 'international' in its name. Mtaylor848 (talk) 13:40, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move (October 2010)

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No consensus. I really hate to do that, but a move to simply Birmingham Airport needs a full discussion especially since the other airport that has the same common name has more aircraft activity. That would mean that the discussion would need to establish primary use. So I see this being being moved to Birmingham Airport, West Midlands, Birmingham Airport, England or Birmingham Airport if it can be determined that it is the primary use. I'll leave it to the participants to decide which direction to go and make the updated nomination. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:31, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Birmingham International Airport, West Midlands → Birmingham International Airport — See talk page entry above. New name redirects to old name. The West Midlands tag is superflous and the other Birmingham Airport doesn't actually have any scheduled international flights making the 'international' tag a little untruthful. The fact the new name redirects here shows that this airport has been given priority in naming.

Mtaylor848 (talk) 10:29, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Similarly, there's no shortage of cities called Birmingham, and yet the article with that title is the one in England. Mlm42 (talk) 00:22, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think that airports are more likely to be confused than big cities. Snowman (talk) 12:44, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support move to Birmingham Airport (the "International" seems already to have been dropped sometime during the discussion). It's the primary topic (particularly as there is only one competing topic, and that has a different name anyway), so doesn't need disambiguation. (Or if it is decided that it is not the primary topic, then it should be disambiguated using the easily understood "England", not the confusing "West Midlands", which implies - if anything - that Birmingham has other airports which are outside West Midlands county.)--Kotniski (talk) 13:44, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Requested move (December 2010)

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. While it is clear that there is little satisfaction with the current title, the poll shows that the community is still divided on whether or not the English airport should be at the "Birmingham Airport" location; the secondary proposal to move it to Birmingham Airport, England was only very lightly discussed. Because there seems to have been some support for this and because of unhappiness with the current name, I have moved the article to this location. If there is no opposition to this within a week then the location Birmingham Airport, England can be regarded as the article's new home; but if there is opposition within a week then I will move it back and the proposer will need to open a new more specific RM. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 08:02, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Birmingham Airport, West Midlands → Birmingham Airport — Or to Birmingham Airport, England. See discussion above, which was IMO unnecessarily closed when consensus was plainly developing for Birmingham Airport. This seems to have been unquestioned as the primary topic for that phrase for a long time, it handles many more passengers than the other Birmingham airport and serves a larger and better-known Birmingham, and is known by that name while the other airport is named differently. There seems to me no doubt that this continues to be the primary topic (and nothing to be gained by creating a dab page for just two entries), and therefore should carry just that as its title; but if for some reason it is found not to be, then please change the disambiguator to England (which everyone understands) rather than the confusingly overprecise West Midlands.Kotniski (talk) 08:59, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose: two large airports with names than can be confused. I think that the previous name suggestion which failed should be taken into consideration, because it was so recent. Name change to "Birmingham Airport, England" would be ok. Snowman (talk) 19:10, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Do we have a naming convention for airports? Anyway, if it's what you say it is, what would be the rationale? Do we have significant numbers of airport names (or any at all) which are ambiguous within England? --Kotniski (talk) 07:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No other airports in England have a disambiguator - Only a draft project document but Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Naming (Airports) has:
  1. Consider the wikipedia naming conventions including Wikipedia:Naming conventions (precision) and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). In general these guidelines encourage using the word airport in the article name.
  2. Try to avoid long and unwieldy names like Dakar-Yoff-Léopold Sédar Senghor International Airport, this statement does not preclude the use of such names.
  3. Try to use a name that is sourced from a government agency, or the airport operator. If you have multiple choices, use the name that is most commonly used and is precise so that a dab is not needed.

MilborneOne (talk) 12:05, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All right, given that we don't seem to have consensus to drop the disambiguator, are there any further arguments against using ", England" rather than ", West Midlands"?--Kotniski (talk) 16:49, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and presumably if we're not going to move this one, then Birmingham Airport should no longer redirect here, but should be a two-line dab page, right? (In fact the same dab page as is now at Birmingham International Airport - should the dab page in fact be at the simpler title Birmingham Airport, with "Birmingham International Airport" a redirect from there?) --Kotniski (talk) 16:51, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
When there are only two alternatives, headers can redirect. Snowman (talk) 18:15, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like the official name is now Birmingham International Airport but the point remains. I'd also point out the BHX outnumbers BHM in commercial enplanements by about 9:1. So, BHX is arguably the bigger airport by far. -Ttownfeen (talk) 19:52, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
you were correct the first time - it is Birmingham Airport (previously Birmingham International Airport and previous to that Birmingham Airport). I corrected the article, and will highlight this below. Widefox (talk) 11:59, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Birmingham-Shuttlesworth International Airport is a long name, so I would guess that it is known as Birmingham Airport for short. Snowman (talk) 12:02, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In the US, the convention of airports having International or Regional or whatever in their names is so ingrained I'm pretty sure the layman Wikipedian searching for information for the airport in Alabama would search for "Birmingham International Airport" before "Birmingham Airport." -Ttownfeen (talk) 06:50, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Name

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Is Birmingham Airport and has been since November 2010. Just to clarify - previous to that it was Birmingham International Airport and previous to that Birmingham Airport). I changed the article with ref. There are 3rd party refs if anyone wants to use one. Widefox (talk) 12:04, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Additional info for "Accidents and incidents" section

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I believe there was a small collision where an air side service vehicle collided with a parked PIA (Pakistan International Airlines)Boeing 777 registered: AP-BGL

Should this incident be included with the "Accidents and incidents"? or should it be placed elsewhere (if at all)?

Brief info on the incident: http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/forums/interesting-pics-of-the-damage-done-to-pia-b777-15234.aspx

The following link was obtained from the page noted above, and shows the actual damage. http://www.historyofpia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11917 Ben.710 (talk) 19:47, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is not particularly notable so should not be added to the article, a fairly common occurence at airports. MilborneOne (talk) 20:15, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Thank you for clearing that one up Ben.710 (talk) 18:33, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

airblue ???

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On this article it said that airblue stopped it routes on 2 December 2013, yet after looking on the airlines website and looked at the flight schedules it still say that it fly's to BHX as far as 12 January 2014. I have found no information that airblue has stopped the route?? I think the airblue routes should stay on the article until it can be conformed that the airline has stopped flying to BHX. Here is the flight schedules ---> [3], 12:00, 3 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.69.7.104 (talk)

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Why new International routes removed from page??

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Both Biman Bangladesh Airlines and China Southern Airlines plan to operate at Birmingham Airport in summer of 2014, which was confirmed on BHX website with other news and airline websites. The routes was then removed for known reason. Can some tell me why this is so and if it was and accident to be replied onto the main article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.3.145.27 (talk) 18:39, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ryanair Birmingham-Bratislava

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Ryanair offers flights to Bratislava 4-5 years already, but Bratislava isnt on the Ryanairs destination list anymore - this route wasnt werent cancelled and its not going to be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.69.6 (talk) 21:38, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References in 'Runway Extension'

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What has happened to all the references in this section? Could everyone please try to track who made that change. Flyer500 (talk) 19:29, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have now fixed these references, but sections '2010-present' and 'runway extension' are quite messy Flyer500 (talk) 19:38, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup of Passenger Destinations

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I use this airport often, as it's convenient for me and I travel a lot. I have noticed there is a lot of information out of date. The Birmingham Airport official website is quite comprehensive with information about passenger destinations: http://www.want2gothere.com/bhx/destinations/

I am planning to go through that website and updating this article accordingly, to update the small number of outdated pieces of information. Brumalicious (talk) 14:42, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just note that this is not a travel guide so doesnt really need to be upto date, it just needs to be reliably referenced and dated. Also note that www.want2gothere.com is not an official website just a travel company. MilborneOne (talk) 18:44, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You are right, of course, this isn't wikitravel/wikivoyage. However, www.want2gothere.com is almost certainly the right place to find the correct information, as the Birmingham Airport official website links directly to it. Brumalicious (talk) 00:59, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Seasonal flights

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Seasonal flights by the current project consensus are those which do not operate every calendar month of the year. For Jet2 Krakow and Prague flights these do operate in each calendar month of the year, and are therefore regarded year-round for wikipedia. SempreVolando (talk) 17:59, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This idea of flights "operating every month" in order to be year round is a very loosely termed one. These Jet2 flights only have one flight in January (not notable by any means when usual schedule is 3x weekly) so January can hardly be counted. Flights then don't resume until OVER 5 weeks later half way through February. These flights are seasonal - 5 weeks is a considerable period of time and saying these flights are year round due to 1 flight in January is absolute madness!! Fair enough if the break was only 2 or 3 weeks long but this is over 5 weeks spanning 2 different months with only 1 flight in January. Using this method: a flight with a break of 4 weeks (month of Jan roughly) would be considered seasonal yet these Jet2 routes are said to be year round with over 5 weeks break! No! There needs to be a bit of leeway and common sense applied here. Futurepilot1999 (talk) 18:09, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it is very loosely termed I agree, as you can see from my own contributions at WT:AIRPORTS I believe a better a stricter definition is needed and should be complied with. Your opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else's in this regard, however currently the project consensus is for services not operating in every calendar month of the year to be deemed seasonal. That does not apply to these flights and you should respect the consensus of other editors in this regard until a new and more formal wording at WP:AIRPORTS applies, via consensus (and please do contribute - there is already a discussion underway!). Thanks. SempreVolando (talk) 18:21, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not an admin but this debate and the consequent edits seems a little unproductive. Could I suggest leaving this to a wiki-admin who you can hopefully both accept as being neutral in the whole matter ? Pmbma (talk) 18:32, 26 June 2017 (UTC) https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring[reply]

I agree with the above. An unbiased, neutral admin needs to take in to account what we have both said above (irrespective of the idiotic guidelines) to ensure the best decision is made. Futurepilot1999 (talk) 18:36, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed back-and-forth edits are not productive, and indeed I instigated admin attention at the same time as you (some overlap led to duplication in this respect). Will accept what an admin determines, in due course. SempreVolando (talk) 18:38, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
p.s. users may consider guidelines 'idiotic', but there is a clear opportunity to change them. See my note above "and please do contribute - there is already a discussion underway!". As you will see my opinion is not the status quo. Let's make it better, and clearer, for everyone. Whichever guideline ends up in place, yours, mine or something totally different! Thanks. SempreVolando (talk) 18:42, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Would you be able to direct me to this "policy" you talk of? As far as I can see this "policy" is merely some opinions on the talk page and not anything written in stone. Futurepilot1999 (talk) 18:48, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't use the word "policy"? Why did you quote that word? The very fact that it is not "policy" (now you've got me quoting!), is the very basis of the discussion. The established consensus among most editors over many years (not just the recent discussion) has been the definition I quoted. I actually don't even agree with it (as seen if you read my examples on the discussion thread linked above). However for now my opinion doesn't matter - until a formal guideline is changed, established consensus is the best thing we have and so we should stick with that, while putting forward the argument for what we think should actually apply. Agreed? SempreVolando (talk) 19:16, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Altitude

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At a point 6 nm from the runway the aircraft had descended to an altitude of 660 ft, which was 164 ft above ground level.

What does this mean? Valetude (talk) 16:23, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

BH Air

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I have removed BH Air from the listning of destinations as I have been unable to find any evidence that they are still flying to Birmingham, or have any plans to do so. Their website doesn't seem to sell tickets (!) but it doesn't really reference Birmingham anywhere, and nor do tickets see to be available for sale anywhere else. I may be wrong, and with some evidence of a resumption date am more than happy for them to be listed again. Mordac (talk) 22:25, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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