Talk:Beaujolais nouveau

pictures

Photos of empty bottles are scarcely pictures of this article's subject.91.125.30.12 20:56, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

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Merging

It's apparently been suggested (for a few months now) that we merge "Beaujolais Day" into this article. (Since the only thing that Beaujolais Day really says is that it's the day when the Beaujolais goes on sale, it wouldn't be much of a merge - it may already be all contained here.) I haven't seen any discussion, so I'll go ahead and stick my head out: yes, I think it should be merged. The article about the day is unlikely to ever be much more than a sentence or two long, and its notability apart from the wine seems a bit questionable. A merge and redirect seems to make sense here. --TheOtherBob 02:16, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Done - and I've rewritten this article to boot. Now that we have a distinct Beaujolais wine article I can see an argument for just merging the two, but coming at it from a Wine Project perspective I would be against that, this article can focus more on BN as an "event".

Needs more references - most of my books are pretty skimpy on the subject. Also could do with more photos of BN as an event - unlike most wine articles we should be able to illustrate this article with advertising materials, photos of the 'races', that kind of thing, really we should need no more than one pic of a bottle. I'd love to find some hard references on the history - when did Duboeuf first sell BN?

I've also seen comments along the lines that it may have been a short-term fix, but has harmed the long-term reputation of the cru wines, which represent a better long-term future for the region. Certainly my sense is that BN is now feeling a bit passé, having peaked (in the UK at least) in the late 80's. Would be nice to incorporate some of that stuff into the article, suitably referenced. And if anyone has some memorable quotes from wine critics, they could go in the 'style' section, I'm sure there must have been some bon mots on the subject.

One other thing - the original article said that only Gamay was permitted. Given that most of the appellations allow some Pinot, I find that a little surprising, although in practice you wouldn't expect Pinot to be wasted on BN. Anyone got a source for that? Presumably the 1985 law is probably the place to look?? FlagSteward 17:21, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Tempranillo?

Is Tempranillo the correct description for the Spanish equivalent of "vino novello"? The Wikipedia page on Tempranillo doesn't mention this. 81.107.46.107 (talk) 00:18, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

No, tempranillo is a grape variety. --El Ingles (talk) 00:36, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Controversy

Should this be included, then, in every non-survival-required export article in Wikipedia? Why is notable? Unless someone feels strongly that this section should remain, I am removing it, as somewhere there is someone who disapproves of every product there is. :) sinneed (talk) 22:39, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Eh, the carbon footprint item is unique and the claim is well sourced. It's not like someone is boycotting the wine because it's crap. :p Agne^Cheese/^Wine 04:23, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Exactly :) ... it has nothing to do with this wine specifically... if I get some fool to publish your name along with my call to refuse to hire you because your carbon footprint is too large, that might be newsworthy, but it certainly would not belong in a general-purpose encyclopedia entry about you... perhaps about carbon footprint or global warming hysteria, but it has nothing to do with you personally... you are just my target. In actuality, this turns out not to be unique.

What if I move it to carbon footprint, under a new title "Protests against products" or similar? It just really doesn't belong in a general entry about this particular wine. sinneed (talk) 14:53, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Since the section had already been flagged for a bit, I went ahead with the move. I will not protest an undo, but I feel strongly that this note does not belong in this article. PERHAPS is belongs in another Wikipedia article, such as carbon footprint where I moved it. sinneed (talk) 15:02, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

BUT Beaujolais is unique in that the activities of Beaujolais Day--flying the freshly released wine around the world in a matter of a 24 hours on dedicated flights--can have a more pronounced effect on the environment than other wines which are typically transported with normal freight. That is a unique claim for a unique circumstance and I think it merit inclusion in the article, especially since it is well sourced. It does give a NPOV balance of perspective with dissenting views. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 20:34, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

At present, the text is not notable here or at carbon footprint. First off, we have to consider that the only source we have for the "boycott" is the person who is calling for it to happen. While he appears to have credentials for assessing wine, as a primary source he cannot establish notability for his own event; that would have to come from other sources, such as news reports. The third-party coverage (or lack thereof, in this case) also trumps our own feelings as to whether or not an event is notable; it is not up to us to make such a call. As an analogy, I'd offer the case of how Wikipedia deals with fan petitions to bring back cancelled television series. The consensus has been that petitions are not notable (and thus not suitable for inclusion in articles about a series) without verifiable coverage in third-party sources. --Ckatz^chat_spy 21:33, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm not really looking at it in the context of an "event" (i.e. boycott) but rather the unique, and notable, claim of Beaujolais Nouveau adverse effect on the environment via its unusually large carbon footprint. There is quite a bit of recent discussion on this, including a feature on The Today Show and other, independent reliable sources. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 21:53, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

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Assessment comment

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I think that it is important to move the Beaujolais Nouveau to the Wine page, but to discuss the release phenomenon and celebration in French culture.

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