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This battle is part of the Pokrovsk offensive.

Kurakhove is one of Ukraine's logistical hubs for the front lines in Donetsk. This is because Kurakhove is connected to Pokrovsk by a road that is part of the infrastructure used for moving troops and supplies to the front lines.

If Russian forces succeed in capturing Kurakhove, they can then advance northward to attack Pokrovsk from a new direction, thereby achieving faster tactical gains up to and along the H-15 highway. Bukansatya (talk) 16:58, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that your quote supports your assertion; it merely says that a capture of Kurakhove, if further advances are made northward, might assist in the Pokrovsk offensive. See also this RBC Ukraine article treating the efforts as separate. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 01:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scope of the article

If this article includes talking about the advances north of Vuhledar and south of Tsukuryne, I would be in favor of the name Kurakhove offensive I Know I'm Not Alone (talk) 12:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Atum Mundi?

This article is the only place where the source "Atum Mundi" is cited on the entirety of English Wikipeida. As far as I can tell it's a student blog for a half dozen students at L'Institut Libre des Relations Internationales et des Sciences Politiques [fr], and they appear to have no editorial board or oversight. Maybe we should omit them as a source. Scuba 00:50, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Cinderella157 (talk) 12:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I could verify Clément Molin, and by extension Atum Mundi - the "blog" he mainly releases on, and of which he is the main editor - as a reliable source, as several popular, reliable^[1]^[2] german (Die Zeit^[3], Süddeutsche Zeitung^[4]) and french^[5]^[6] newspapers cite him. His analysis is valuable to the article. Zerbrxsler (talk) 15:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A blog is not an RS. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cinderella157 I used the term that Scuba used, I don't necessarily agree with that. It calls itself "geopolitical think-tank", not blog.^[7]^[8] It's being cited in french media and referred to as a "think-thank", not blog.^[9]^[10] Zerbrxsler (talk) 06:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The characterisation appears appropriate. A think tank is not inherently an RS in that editorial oversight is being exercised but the it may be used for attributed opinion where it is the opinion of acknowledged experts in a field. Students are not reasonably construed as experts. Cinderella157 (talk) 08:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cinderella157 I definitely plan to cite Clément Molin from the reliable sources I shared, if not Atum Mundi. In my opinion it attributes credibility to a person or think-thank when they were cited in RS. Zerbrxsler (talk) 09:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Citing an RS that cites them (with attribution - ie X said) would probably be appropriate. Citing it directly, no matter how it is dressed up, would not. Cinderella157 (talk) 10:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know why you guys insist on locking every article relating to the Ukraine War

There is nothing particularly controversial about this battle. I'm not going to become an editor but I wouldn't mind casually adding some stuff as a free user. Anyway, here is a source for you:

https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/11/07/risk-of-encirclement-looms-for-ukrainian-forces-as-russian-troops-push-toward-kurakhove-zaporizhzhia-highway/

"Risk of encirclement looms for Ukrainian forces as Russian troops push toward Kurakhove-Zaporizhzhia highway"

"Ukrainian forces defending Kurakhove may face a dire threat of encirclement as Russian troops advance toward the Kurakhove-Zaporizhzhia highway, warned military analyst Denys Popovych. This strategic route is essential for logistics, and its capture could force the Ukrainian military to withdraw."

"Kurakhove has become a critical target for Russian forces in their ongoing offensive in eastern Ukraine. The town’s strategic importance lies in its position as a key logistical hub for Ukrainian forces in southern Donbas. Capturing Kurakhove would allow Russian troops to open a path for further advances towards Pokrovsk, another strategically significant town."— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:a601:5553:b000:a079:1ba9:fdc9:d357 (talk)

[1] ttps://mediabiasfactcheck.com/die-zeit/

[2] ttps://mediabiasfactcheck.com/suddeutsche-zeitung-bias/

[3] ttps://archive.ph/4xtyJ

[4] ttps://archive.ph/O9qLI

[5] ttps://www.lavoixdunord.fr/1515829/article/2024-10-23/guerre-en-ukraine-l-armee-russe-repris-la-moitie-du-territoire-conquis-par-les

[6] ttps://www.leprogres.fr/defense-guerre-conflit/2024/10/21/ses-analyses-sur-la-guerre-en-ukraine-cartonnent-a-18-ans-cet-etudiant-lyonnais-est-devenu-une-reference-en-geopolitique

[7] ttps://www.pappers.fr/entreprise/atum-mundi-931738710

[8] ttps://atummundi.fr/

[9] ttps://www.lavoixdunord.fr/1524767/article/2024-11-20/1-000-jours-de-guerre-en-ukraine-la-russie-avance-dans-le-donbass-mais-se-casse

[10] ttps://www.lavoixdunord.fr/1502685/article/2024-09-16/guerre-en-ukraine-la-contre-attaque-russe-koursk-menacee-par-une-attaque-sur-ses

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