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On 9 April 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to Baren Township incident. The result of the discussion was moved to Baren Township conflict.

99.23.90.235 -- Page ban request

This guy has been going around pushing POV and poorly sourced edits on numerous pages relating to Uighurs.

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Special:Contributions/99.23.90.235

Would kindly request administrative action, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.222.42.29 (talk) 09:32, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mention of forced abortions

I've been I've been following this article and everytime I look at it is completely different this is not helpful for the encyclopedia Sassmouth (talk) 07:54, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There were forced abortions that may have caused the unrest they were mentioned in this source this information should be mentioned in this articlechina's spacial disintegration page 44 this source is reliable. Sassmouth (talk) 02:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The information about the forced abortions was removed in 2014 This information is from a reliable source i entend to work on this page when i have some time Any comments? Sassmouth (talk) 02:08, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

]Though an official account of civilian casualties is absent, exiles and participants in the event claimed that over 5000 civilians had died with thousands more wounded.[7] the reference for this sentence is broken need to find replacement reference — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sassmouth (talk • contribs) 02:29, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The source is reliable, and it is a very well established fact that since the one-child policy was introduced in 1978 that the Chinese state has a policy of forced abortions with women who want to have more than one child, so the account here of the riot being sparked by Uighur women being subjected to forced abortions seems very credible. I would put it back in, and if you have more trouble with this issue, ask whoever is deleting to explain why. To offer you some help, this article Circling the wagons about the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps mentions the corps was involved in putting down the riot, which according to this article led to the deaths of about 50 Uighurs.--A.S. Brown (talk) 21:29, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Doing partial Rewrite of article

I am attempting to do a partial rewrite on this article unfortunately it is very hard to determine what exactly happened because all the sources that exist regarding the Baren township riot Vary Wildly!!! in their accounting of the incident. Both Chinese and Uyghur viewpoints should be given equal weight please feel free to collaborate Cheers! Will do more work on article soon Sassmouth (talk) 05:13, 15 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Need help with article new editor here thanksSassmouth (talk) 04:01, 19 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted edits by UserDe

I do not WP:own this article however this article should be neutral provide both points of view both uyghur and chinese and when you edit please do an edit summary so we know the rationale for the editing is thanksSassmouth (talk) 03:30, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Undue explained

Given that this article has 4 paragraphs to demonstrate those Xinjiang indepedence advocates's POV, but only 1 paragraph to show Chinese government's POV. Arguably, this article qualifies WP:UNDUE . Consequently, I added this template hoping someone can fix this. --INDICATOR2018 (talk) 11:57, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with with INDICATOR2018 At first glance i think paragraph 3 and 4 of of the uygher pov section should be deleted i would like to hear other editors opinions on the matter??? Thanks Sassmouth (talk) 01:44, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the above as well. -Zanhe (talk) 00:52, 8 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Source behind the source

Page 900 from the 2011 paper by Justin V. Hastings called “Charting the Course of Uyghur Unrest” in The China Quarterly‎, number 208 relies on a source called Xinjiang Public Security Gazette 新疆通志·公安志 pages 790-795 to give a description of this incident. I plan to incorporate Hastings' understanding of the incident from page 900, but the original source needs to be consulted whenever it can be found. Geographyinitiative (talk) 15:35, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 9 April 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Baren Township conflict. (closed by non-admin page mover) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 18:55, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Baren Township riot → Baren Township incident – Within the article, it said that "It is unclear what happened during the armed conflict because reports of the incident vary greatly."^[1] I doubt that naming this article as "riot" might be WP:POVNAMING or not, compare with "conflict" or "incident".

References

^ Patrick, MAJ Shawn M (2010). Approved for Public Release; Distribution is Unlimited The Uyghur Movement China's Insurgency in Xinjiang (PDF). School of Advanced Military Studies United States Army Command and General Staff College Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. p. 27.

– Cmsth11126a02 (talk) 16:16, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Baren Township conflict or Baren Township armed conflict - I agree that it is POV for "riot", but "incident" might be too ambiguous. It is more like a conflict. Alternative name as "armed conflict" to disambiguate the other potential conflicts in the township, if exists. Sun8908 _Talk 08:49, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"conflict" is also ok. "disambiguate the other potential conflicts in the township" might be a CRYSTALBALL as there is no other conflicts in this township(as least for this moment).--Cmsth11126a02 (talk) 14:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

What should the combatant name be?

There are some sources that name the rebel group here as the Free Turkistan Movement (Name 1) ^[1], while other sources name the group as Turkistan Islamic Party/ETIM(Name 2) such as this^[2].

Should the article use Name 1, Name 2, or should it include both with an appropriate WP:FOOTNOTE?

ADifferentMan (talk) 05:34, 18 March 2023 (UTC) ADifferentMan (talk) 05:34, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If both names are used in sources, we should mention both in the article. (The exception would be if one name is overwhelmingly more common and the other is too rare to be worth mentioning.) —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:21, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What Mx. Granger just said. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:35, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ditto per Mx. Granger. Cinderella157 (talk) 01:20, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The original source cited in the CRS report (Source #1) is archived ~~here~~ on a blacklisted site because the domain is now used by a Hindutva organisation. You can email me for the archive link.

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On 5 April 1992 there was an abortive uprising in the town of Baren; about 22 people were killed. The movement was led by Abdul Kasim an Islamic fundamentalist and leader of the Free Turkestan Movement. Chinese authorities said that group had acquired weapons from the Afghan mujahideen. A widespread crackdown on Islamists followed ...

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— Bhagat, Aditya (27 February 1997). "China tries to quell the Xinjiang uprising". The Pioneer.

Not 100% certain Bhagat is even talking about the 1990 uprising, but scholarly sources that cite their article acknowledge that it was most likely a typo. The scholarly sources that I could find that mention the name "Free Turkestan Movement" all point back to this article by Bhagat, but this Wikipedia article does not even mention an "Abdul Kasim", nor do the other sources cited. I could not find mentions of the "Free Turkestan Movement" apart from their supposed role in the Barin uprising; I say supposed because every seemingly reliable source that turns up points back to the same news(?) article. "Free Turkestan Movement" may also just be a blanket term used in place of "East Turkestan independence movement", as the Barin uprising is commonly described as a watershed in Xinjiang's history which led to the rise of armed separatism in the region. Yue🌙 06:30, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The only source given in this Wikipedia article and the article Zeydun Yusup that even mentions Yusup or a "Turkistan Islamic Party" is Rongxing Guo's book China's Spatial (Dis)integration: Political Economy of the Interethnic Unrest in Xinjiang. The book says Yusup founded the "East Turkistan Islamic Party" in 1989 in Barin; this is clearly not the same group as the ETIM / TIP, which was founded in Pakistan in 1997. Yue🌙 19:58, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "China's Relations with Central Asian States and Problems with Terrorism". Every CRS Report. Congressional Research Service (CRS). Retrieved 12 March 2023.
^ Todd, Reed; Raschke, Diana (2010). The ETIM: China's Islamic Militants and the Global Terrorist Threat. p. 47.

[1] Patrick, MAJ Shawn M (2010). Approved for Public Release; Distribution is Unlimited The Uyghur Movement China's Insurgency in Xinjiang (PDF). School of Advanced Military Studies United States Army Command and General Staff College Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. p. 27.

[2] "China's Relations with Central Asian States and Problems with Terrorism". Every CRS Report. Congressional Research Service (CRS). Retrieved 12 March 2023.

[3] Todd, Reed; Raschke, Diana (2010). The ETIM: China's Islamic Militants and the Global Terrorist Threat. p. 47.

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